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S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

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Re: S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

#81
The entire focus on anti-trust and moved to harm to other (big) businesses - no care about the consumer.

The Anti-fragmentation agreement google makes these folks sign HELPS consumers. Going to be a crazy situation if that goes away, the app you buy on samsung won't work on HTC etc.

Re: S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

#82
post #79

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> Google phones allow re-locking the bootloader with your own key, except it still results in a warning during boot The warning is a great thing for security: I'd appreciate it if my phone showed me that warning after I've surrendered it to the border control agent (alternatively, a sketchy repair shop), or bought it pre-owned, or if I "lost" it and gets returned to me.

Let's start with the fact that unlocking the bootloader wipes the entire /data partition to prevent this exact scenario from happening.

I wish I could have thought of that argument on a previous discussion about iPhone/ iPad jailbreak discussion thread

Re: S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

#83
post #79

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> Google phones allow re-locking the bootloader with your own key, except it still results in a warning during boot The warning is a great thing for security: I'd appreciate it if my phone showed me that warning after I've surrendered it to the border control agent (alternatively, a sketchy repair shop), or bought it pre-owned, or if I "lost" it and gets returned to me.

Let's start with the fact that unlocking the bootloader wipes the entire /data partition to prevent this exact scenario from happening.

That'a a great point, and you're correct on the impracticality of the evil-maid attack. However, my point remains when it comes to less-than-honest repair shops or second-hand sales where wiped devices are not suspicious. I want to know if my bootloader/kernel may have been tampered with before I am able to trust the apps.

Re: S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

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post #76

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Reminds me of the idea I've been thinking about - kind of unrelated - but once a device is officially no longer supported by a company - particularly consoles and online games - they should make the source code available so people can continue from there on their own.

I've thought about that before too. As soon as something is no longer actively supported, it should become open for people to maintain themselves. Unfortunately, there's a lot of companies that would fight that with as much money as it takes, so it would never happen (at least not in the US)

I would like to see a graph of average second hand prices of different abandoned products over time. Mark the interesting points like apple not supporting the next version of the OS or blocking app downloads. Perhaps an income estimate of the average user at the interesting points could also be included and/or sales figures of still supported versions.

Re: S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

#86

The entire focus on anti-trust and moved to harm to other (big) businesses - no care about the consumer. The Anti-fragmentation agreement google makes these folks sign HELPS consumers. Going to be a crazy situation if that goes away, the app you buy on samsung won't work on HTC etc.

If the oems get fragmented enough then it might open up more space for a smaller competitor (ie an open source project) to come fill the gaps, and I certainly wouldn't mind that. Of course it's not a guarantee but I could see it happening - the more dissatisfied the lazy tech nerd segment gets the more we would all band together and try and make the situation better, and also by the competitors becoming more fragmented it might open others up to possibilities they didn't consider previously. (And yes I am putting myself in lazy tech nerd segment at least as far as my phone goes, I've always run cyanogenmod in the past but the last phone I bought I spent a weekend trying to flash lineage and it was annoying enough of a process I ended up back on stock ROM....but I'd certainly be down to try again given the right circumstances.)

Re: S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

#87

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Given that Samsung's revenue is about 12% of S. Korea's GDP, I'm guessing that they will not.

Given that the head of Samsung was in prison for bribery of the president(of korea) and then got released on parole for using Covid vaccination as currency I'm guessing that they DEFINITELY will not. https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/samsung-s-lee-receiv...

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Re: S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

#88

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Given that Samsung's revenue is about 12% of S. Korea's GDP, I'm guessing that they will not.

Given that the head of Samsung was in prison for bribery of the president(of korea) and then got released on parole for using Covid vaccination as currency I'm guessing that they DEFINITELY will not. https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/samsung-s-lee-receiv...

2009 - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-samsung-idUSTRE5BS0...

Somethings never change.

Re: S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

#89
post #69

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Yes iOS is quite obviously a competitor to Android.

Not even in nearest terms, Android users mostly dont want to use iOS. Neither do most of the iOS users want to use Android. Like I said, they both are different kind of things of the same technology. Apple is no where near Android in world level in-terms of competition either. Like I said Kia is not a competitor to Rolls Royce.

Kia is not a competitor to RR because there are loads of luxury car brands that compete with RR and loads of general-to-expensive brands that compete with Kia.

In the smartphone OS market, it doesn't matter if apple is on the luxury spectrum and android is on the general spectrum, because they are the only relevant OSs around (excluding harmony because it doesn't have nearly as much market share as those two).

So yes, android and iOS are competitors, unless other luxury OS pops up to compete with iOS or OSs like harmony become more relevant to compete with android.

If Kia and RR were the only car brands, they'd be competitors of each other because there are "cheap" second hand cars by RR that compete with Kia (like second hand iPhones) and expensive Kia cars that compete with RR (expensive android phones that compete with apple ones).

Re: S.Korea fines Google $177M for blocking Android customisation

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post #89

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Not even in nearest terms, Android users mostly dont want to use iOS. Neither do most of the iOS users want to use Android. Like I said, they both are different kind of things of the same technology. Apple is no where near Android in world level in-terms of competition either. Like I said Kia is not a competitor to Rolls Royce.

Kia is not a competitor to RR because there are loads of luxury car brands that compete with RR and loads of general-to-expensive brands that compete with Kia. In the smartphone OS market, it doesn't matter if apple is on the luxury spectrum and android is on the general spectrum, because they are the only relevant OSs around (excluding harmony because it doesn't have nearly as much market share as those two). So yes…

I feel like you’re strictly comparing things in terms of price and OS. Im trying to say a Kia user wont want to buy RR or RR user wont want to buy a Kia. The comparison im trying to make is, Switch form iOS to Android and vice versa is very rare. You can’t really call two OSes a competitor if their users want two different things. The users of iOS and Android have different views on what their OS means. And People expect different things from an Apple vs Android. No one looks for Android ways in an Apple phone. And apple never even considers how Android ecosystem is before thinking yeah, we need to include it next release. You compete in same segments, not in different segments, or am I wrong about what I think competition is?
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