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Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by cjoh »

diskzero wrote: post #73
stereoradonc wrote: post #65

Too many distractions from Mozilla (Firefox OS, VPN etc and a complete dissonance from the core- browser. It doesn't help when senior management takes fat bonuses and fires away employees during the pandemic. That doesn't make for pleasant optics and also distanced me away from their product.

Firefox seems to be the only hope to avoid a duopoly dominated by forces that are anti-privacy and anti-user. I recently made the move from Safari to Firefox and I am very pleased. This being said, I agree with you about the optics of Firefox management. There is a lot going on that isn't good and the personal enrichment of the executives feels all sorts of wrong. If FF management can not be good stewards of a vital…

Is there a way to simplify moving password management out of Keychain and into Firefox?

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by henriquez »

diskzero wrote: post #73
stereoradonc wrote: post #65

Too many distractions from Mozilla (Firefox OS, VPN etc and a complete dissonance from the core- browser. It doesn't help when senior management takes fat bonuses and fires away employees during the pandemic. That doesn't make for pleasant optics and also distanced me away from their product.

Firefox seems to be the only hope to avoid a duopoly dominated by forces that are anti-privacy and anti-user. I recently made the move from Safari to Firefox and I am very pleased. This being said, I agree with you about the optics of Firefox management. There is a lot going on that isn't good and the personal enrichment of the executives feels all sorts of wrong. If FF management can not be good stewards of a vital…

Right, it's not productive to throw the baby out with the bathwater because you might not like the politics or management of Mozilla as an organization. Like it or not, Firefox is the last free browser and needs support from people who care about a free Internet.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by rossy »

yaman12 wrote: post #37

Mozilla charge money for Firefox. I’m tired of “free” software that sell my data and attention.

I can't think of a more effective way to kill Firefox. You'd give the fence-sitters a reason to switch, you'd get rid of all the volunteer contributors, and you'd get rid of everyone who uses and advocates for Firefox because it's free* software, which would probably be a significant portion of the remaining userbase. (I know it's technically possible to charge money for free* software, but it's impractical.)

* as-in-freedom

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by lucasyvas »

It's beyond me why they haven't thrown it up on GitHub yet. Let the community have a way bigger involvement and drive the future of the browser. Yes, I can go find the source for Firefox, but I sincerely doubt the engagement is anywhere near as high as it could be.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by matheusmoreira »

errantmind wrote: post #46

I've used Firefox since release but I'm curious what other less popular browsers people are using these days? For example, I have tried Bromite on my phone but the adblocking is limited. I've tried ungoogled-chromium on desktop and the speed is impressive. The main things I want: 1. Speed 2. Speed 3. Native plugins that can preempt network requests 4. Configurable for privacy (referrer, first party isolation, etc) Al…

Brave is interesting. Built-in ad blocker even on mobile. Not as good as uBlock Origin on Firefox but it's an option.

It also has its own advertising platform. The ads are simple notifications, no bullshit. It actually pays users in cryptocurrency for their attention. It can also be completely disabled.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by skinkestek »

techrat wrote: post #68
skinkestek wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just out of curiosity, what are some of Chrome's shady dealings? A parent company that could and would literally put ads for it on the front page of Google? (i.e. before a sesrch term has been entered) This is a place where I'm not aware that anyone else has been allowed to put anything, so if this isn't abuse of market power then I don't know what. Same with other Google web properties that magically work better i…

A company putting an ad for its own product on its own website is not an example of a shady tactic. "Allowed?" Next you'll tell me that Microsoft should be forced to exclusively advertise other browsers other than their own on Bing before search... > so if this isn't abuse of market power then I don't know what. Abuse of market power would be preventing the mention of any other browser when using search and Google ha…

Thanks for explaining your position. I'll try to explain in some more detail why this is a problem and how governments has stepped in before:

> Abuse of market power would be preventing the mention of any other browser when using search and Google has never done that.

Another way to abuse market power is to use ones dominance in one maket to crush competition in another market.

Microsoft was punished for this after they bundled IE with Windows back in the day. Google has gone extremely much further down the road of abusing market dominance in one market (search, ads) to crush competition in browsers.

Also: did you forget my point about how Google web properties work better if you fake the headers and pretend to be Chrome?

> Or how about a better example: Apple actively preventing any third party web browsers on iOS, then later only allowing third party web browsers to use the Safari Engine. THAT is anticompetitive.

The value is not in the engine. The engine is something you make to get an advantage in customers mind. Many browsers, both historic and present are just skins on top of other browser engines.

> Google simply has the better product in this case.

So you say Tree Style Tabs work in Chrome now and it doesn't eat memory for breakfast, lunch and dinner? That's news to me ;-)

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by 10GBps »

stereoradonc wrote: post #65

Too many distractions from Mozilla (Firefox OS, VPN etc and a complete dissonance from the core- browser. It doesn't help when senior management takes fat bonuses and fires away employees during the pandemic. That doesn't make for pleasant optics and also distanced me away from their product.

Agree with the management issues. Also their political activities have not made them look good. They need to focus more on the software.

Also, stop removing useful features from Firefox. It's insane the amount of functionality that has been totally chopped out.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by kissickas »

adminscoffee wrote: post #33
imwillofficial wrote: post #25

This is the same Firefox that said “deplatforming is not enough” Sorry Firefox, you’re not an arbiter of truth in my book.

crazy. this caught my attention, what were they suggesting is enough?

Caught my attention too so I looked it up. Looks like a great list of goals to me.

> Reveal who is paying for advertisements, how much they are paying and who is being targeted.

> Commit to meaningful transparency of platform algorithms so we know how and what content is being amplified, to whom, and the associated impact.

> Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation.

> Work with independent researchers to facilitate in-depth studies of the platforms’ impact on people and our societies, and what we can do to improve things.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...

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