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Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

unraveller wrote: post #39

The front-end is still buggy and needs a designer's touch. And the real-time aspects wear thin at scale with all the notifications in a mismatch of languages showing up in the main feed. Lemmy is practically unusable without a personal feed filter, it seems that of the new reddit alternatives only retalk_[1] want to get this right. If you do decide to run an instance of lemmy be sure to nuke the absurd word filter -…

Odd how Lenny (the fork without a word filter) hasn't received commits in 5 months, yet has 3386 commits compared to upstream's 3330.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by echelon »

Federated Reddit and federated toots and all that shit are just too obtuse and like the old regime. It's too hard to set up and run your own node, and joining an existing one is just like joining Reddit or Facebook.

The optimal way to distribute social news: bittorrent-style P2P swarms.

People copy and paste news articles with photos (maybe this is piracy?) and share them as files with known hashes. The swarm pulls down all the articles for you to read locally without ads or scripts. No HTML and script garbage. Beautiful plaintext with minimal markdown-style markup.

A core group of 5 or so people alone can probably scrape what's valuable of the old web on a daily basis, rendering the need for the web moot. The web is going away anyway with the social media giants. We should just own the method of distribution instead of having it locked away in Medium and AMP.

User identities in the system are PGP signed, but can be effectively anonymous. You follow people that you upvote frequently, and articles they upvote are given higher priority in your feed. You share your voting with others to create rich filters. If the system detects noise, you know where in the graph it comes from and can nuke it. It'll take time to build a reputation, so people won't risk it.

You can layer comments on top and distribute them the same way.

Content is ephemeral as you want and decays naturally if nobody keeps or seeds it. Some archive team might want to keep stuff, but nobody else has to go to the trouble of maintaining infrastructure to do so.

No spam. No ads. No VC-funded growth engines that require your phone or a mobile app. Just a solid protocol and beautiful reading and authoring client.

The protocol should include a plaintext legal preamble / poison pill that prevents companies from ever trying to coopt it: BEGIN. BY EMITTING THIS PROTOCOL, WE OFFER SHARES EQUIVALENT OF 1% OF OUR COMPANY ON A DAILY BASIS TO ANYONE WHO CONNECTS TO THIS CLIENT. Or something to make "embrace and extend" impossible by forcing companies into an impossible legal contract.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by reginold »

busymom0 wrote: post #66
enumjorge wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. You can still find a lot of non-PC, fringe content on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. I get that censorship in major tech platforms is problematic, but the sense of martyrdom in comments like yours feels a little overwrought.

> By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. That's such a naive and ignorant viewpoint. Everything which one doesn't agree with suddenly doesn't become racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. Post from an hour ago: > Somali feminist: Facebook is being used to silence me https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28452991 Another one from 2 months ago: > The…

Thanks for saying this with examples. People sure seem to be afraid of their own thoughts if they feel the need to limit speech of others. Must be a hard way to live. And certainly makes life hard for your examples.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by b112 »

reginold wrote: post #49
unraveller wrote: post #39

The front-end is still buggy and needs a designer's touch. And the real-time aspects wear thin at scale with all the notifications in a mismatch of languages showing up in the main feed. Lemmy is practically unusable without a personal feed filter, it seems that of the new reddit alternatives only retalk_[1] want to get this right. If you do decide to run an instance of lemmy be sure to nuke the absurd word filter -…

How strange they would include word filters that are hard to edit. Seems counter to their whole mission...what? Edit: actually it would make sense if word filters themselves were hard to add. But having their own filter and making that hard to edit is bonkers.

Reading the whole bug, it's literally a political stance with no teeth or real purpose. It's bizarrely all for show, serves no real purpose, is functionally deficient, and the DEVs know this.

Further, a 10 line script could easily patch each new version, replacing the hardcoded code with a loadable text file.

Done.

Updates would take zero time to deploy.

It's all about taking a position.

Taking a position is fine. But, imagine a self driving car which wouldn't let you drive home to Cuntsington, MA (an example)?

The DEVs think this logic is fine?

Strange people.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by reginold »

guerrilla wrote: post #74
enumjorge wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. You can still find a lot of non-PC, fringe content on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. I get that censorship in major tech platforms is problematic, but the sense of martyrdom in comments like yours feels a little overwrought.

Nope. https://crimethinc.com/2020/08/19/on-facebook-banning-pages-... And now we've moved on to "misinformation" which has no real definition other than being mitigated by so-called fact checkers who mostly work for American for-profit newspapers.

First slow, then all of a sudden. Seems like the move to decentralized platforms may come quickly. I wonder what the precipitating event will be. Any speculation?

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by cortic »

reginold wrote: post #50
enumjorge wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. You can still find a lot of non-PC, fringe content on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. I get that censorship in major tech platforms is problematic, but the sense of martyrdom in comments like yours feels a little overwrought.

What would you say if you were truly anonymous?

That's a really great question;

There are important conversations within the LGBT that would be really interesting, but asking questions that could be construed years later as homophobic, no matter now innocent can publicly destroy people.

I'd love to have a discussion breaking down certain ideologies, including the merits as well as demerits of certain controversial groups. But this could actually cross into criminal in the UK with the interpretation of some laws. And certainly come back to haunt me years later publicly.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by Saptarishi »

dfdub10 wrote: post #55
Krasnol wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you can even host your own instance with all the "conservative" communities you want. Why not do that? I mean, you must be aware by now that those "conservatives" did ruin a couple of actually good communities in the last years (especially in the reddit clone scene) and some people just don't want to deal with those people at all. And they shouldn't have to.

Why is it that people keep saying ignorant racist trash and then cry about cancel culture and how it’s all the media’s fault. The fact you think people along you out for being disrespectful is everyone but your own fault. And quit blaming the media, if they are such a problem stop watching. Or continue to spend your days watching the elitist con men on your favorite channel and praise an opinion host like a god. You’…

The problem arises when people dont actually say "ignorant racist trash" but have a genuine point of discussion(albeit controversial), but are painted with the same brush as real racists and bigots. Resorting to subversive vulgarity is not a good idea.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by iamnotwhoiam »

reginold wrote: post #71
iamnotwhoiam wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same things I'd normally say because I know anonymous posts on the internet are a terrible medium for rational discussion on controversial subjects. I've sworn off arguing anything with anyone on the internet. More censorship = less content on social media, which is a good thing for humanity.

Fascinating. So anonymity brings limitations for you over what you would "normally say". Why post here then under a pseudonym?

Me doxing myself in an anonymous forum doesn't make discussion any better if everyone else is anonymous. It just opens me up to real life attacks.

Plus, honestly non-anonymous discussion of controversial subjects might actually be worse. You still get maximally aggressive interpretation, but you actually know each other so you can lose real friends.

Discussing anything on the internet that makes anyone feel emotional is just a bad thing no matter how you do it. That's why I'm completely fine with censoring anyone with violent views I disagree with. Get them off the internet first, then maybe someday everyone else will get off too.

Also I'm aware I'm being a hypocrite right now just by responding here. I'm supposed to be working. Like I said, the internet is just bad and my hypocrisy is proof of it.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by ddingus »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #72
ddingus wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So join them. I do not mean ideologically. Just in conversation. More of us learning to talk with one another better is a really good thing. The American idea of leftism varies widely, and on all axis too. A similar thing can be found in the right. Both have populist factions that have a lot in common. Many identify as indie too. They lack a solid party home. Both have moderate and conservative factions too. Authorit…

> I do not mean ideologically. Just in conversation. More of us learning to talk with one another better is a really good thing. The vast majority of people do not want to have that conversation (hence the flagged post of the grandparent).

Why?

I find the answer in most cases is worries over personal judgement.

More of us quit doing that and more people will have that conversation.

I usually lead with, "ignore the talking heads on TV."

Worked wonders for me. I enjoy politics and culture again as do others I talk to.

The other basic worry is inability to manage a conversation coupled with the idea of ideology being the means to better ends rather than the reasoning tool it really is. A person who maintains one ideology, sans a working understanding of others, will feel threatened when its merit is challenged.

Fact is we have many solutions to the problems we face with no requirement they all conform to a single ideological frame.

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