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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by simiones »

jpomykala wrote: post #26
jeromegv wrote: post #15

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How is that different than Facebook? We have known for Facebook shady data policies for 10 years, and that has never prevented people from using it, why do you think suddenly people would care more when it comes to TikTok?

US government is simply more civilized and predictable.

People in many parts of the world will have the exact opposite impression. So far, Chinese domination looks like new roads, while US domination looks like coups and war. Of course, this reflects the current relative advantages of both and I have no illusions about the risks of being dominated by any imperialistic power.

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Post by ipaddr »

crateless wrote: post #63
jpomykala wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US government is simply more civilized and predictable.

As they drop bombs on innocent people across the Middle East. smh

I think the majority of countries have dropped or shot bombs at somepoint in the last 100 years.

Is that the only reason you do not think they are civilized? Any countries that have dropped bombs are not civilized?

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Post by M2Ys4U »

ourcat wrote: post #64
umeshunni wrote: post #7

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15 minutes

Wow. Thank you. I had no idea about that. I had assumed it would be much, much shorter.

That's very new, though. Even 3 minute videos haven't been around for more than a few months.

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Post by finfinfin »

_fat_santa wrote: post #77
finfinfin wrote: post #49

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Every TikTok user I know tells me that the primary reason they use it is the algorithm. Apparently it’s way ahead of YouTube. Anecdotally I am in the same boat as you—ended up removing the YouTube suggestion sidebar with an adblocker due to its increasingly poor quality.

One anecdote that I heard about the TikTok algo is that it favors new creators with I feel like this is what really helps TikTok always have fresh content. If you want to become a YouTuber, the path to having a good following can be years of grind. With TikTok, there is a good shot your first video might just propel you to stardom. Thus more people are inclined to create content for TikTok. It creates a feedback loop

This is interesting. I think this approach goes hand in hand with a much lower quality bar on TikTok. We have an expectation that YouTube videos have a certain production quality, so pushing new creators would often result in unmet expectations. On TikTok new creators can record a 15 second dance and be instantly indistinguishable quality-wise from more experienced creators.

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Post by simiones »

tarkin2 wrote: post #28

This is a hit for US cultural dominance and influence. Americans and Brits, at least in average watch time, are now consuming media ultimately controlled by the Chinese government. And the previous election was influenced by a foreign government using American social media networks to influence, not to mention influencing the president-elect directly. Either America's own social networks are used against them or soci…

> And the previous election was heavily influenced by a foreign government using American social media networks to influence.

Heavily influenced is a massive overstatement. Russia spent less money on US election influence than most individual mega-churches.

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Post by quickthrowman »

elliebike wrote: post #30
jpomykala wrote: post #26

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US government is simply more civilized and predictable.

...really?

Let me pose a pair of questions that might make this easier to understand:

-Is the US government currently involved in ethnic cleansing?

-Is China currently involved in ethnic cleansing?

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Post by Firebrand »

I thought about starting my own TikTok page dedicated to programming so I recorded one about why I still prefer C++ over Rust. While I got decent views for the subject matter, I got roasted by 12-year-olds in the comments section. The top one implied the real reason I preferred C++ was because I’m a boomer, and it was apparently written by someone who likes to upload Roblox music videos. My page has since been made private.

I can take toxic Reddit, HN, and even Twitter comments, and while I found the whole situation hilarious there’s something frightening about opening my whole identity for hordes of anonymous people to judge. There’s a power imbalance that doesn’t seem to bother a subset of Gen Z or the general population who continue uploading content there.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by city41 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #77
finfinfin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every TikTok user I know tells me that the primary reason they use it is the algorithm. Apparently it’s way ahead of YouTube. Anecdotally I am in the same boat as you—ended up removing the YouTube suggestion sidebar with an adblocker due to its increasingly poor quality.

One anecdote that I heard about the TikTok algo is that it favors new creators with I feel like this is what really helps TikTok always have fresh content. If you want to become a YouTuber, the path to having a good following can be years of grind. With TikTok, there is a good shot your first video might just propel you to stardom. Thus more people are inclined to create content for TikTok. It creates a feedback loop

Anecdotally this seems correct to me. A friend of mine has had several viral TikTok videos hit millions of views, and he's only been on TikTok for a little while. He did no outside promotion. I think the only way a new YouTube video would do that is if it was absolutely earth shattering in some regard.

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Post by refenestrator »

quickthrowman wrote: post #87
elliebike wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...really?

Let me pose a pair of questions that might make this easier to understand: -Is the US government currently involved in ethnic cleansing? -Is China currently involved in ethnic cleansing?

The US was killing more central asians than China every year of the last 20 years straight. Hopefully no longer true going forward.

So, I guess it comes down to definitions and how you spin things. Personally, I'd say the country that killed more people was doing more bad stuff, but you can bracket things and explain why some 'count' more than others if you want.

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