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Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
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Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
They all have their flaws. Parliamentary democracies, for example, are susceptible to minority extreme views having massive weight if they are needed to keep a coalition in power. Direct democracies are the opposite with minority views being ignored. edit: Also, one needs to separate the impact of the democratic system from that of the social/cultural system. A country with a very homogenous population tends to have…
Yes, but "no perfect option" doesn't imply "no better option". I could also counter that the extra weight to "minority extreme views" is much less of an issue than most votes in most US states being meaningless because of the first past the post system on a state basis. But I don't really see this as a meaningful discussion, it's undebatable that the US system is flawed to the point where it can't be called a real de…
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Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
This law accomplishes a few things that people are missing: 1. A stark reminder that pro-lifers aren't giving up, and that 48 years of fighting later, they are stronger and getting stronger over time. And that the pro-abortion side should take notice. 2. A law that, even though it will almost inevitably fail, in the eyes of pro-lifers, several dozen children will be saved (due to inability to get abortions) and thus…
This shot across the bow certainly is a good reminder for advocates of abortion access rights not to become complacent, as progress can be undone. I'm hopeful that it can act as a catalyst for advocates in the region. Extremist actions like this often create new advocates, as well as drawing external attention. There are already groups mobilizing from without and within to help Texan women who want or need an abortio…
You automatically assume abortion is progress.
Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
2. Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere, or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. Not to mention the extra loads of single moms (or dads). No one will be "saved". What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican, and to make the US appear even more crazy to the outside world.
Adoption is an option, and you have no idea who that child could become. Steve Jobs was given up for adoption because abortion wasn’t legal at the time.
what about the billions of people already on this planet who are not in such a lucky position?
Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anyone can be sued for any infraction of the law, but to establish that a defendant is "aiding and abetting", it needs to be shown that the defendant was aware that the offense would be committed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiding_and_abetting#United_Sta... However, since this law leaves the defendant liable for legal fees, it could be used to financially harm any defendant whether or not the allegation has merit.
That's for a specific provision of criminal law, but SB8 creates a civil liability even when the person did not know that the abortion being performed is illegal: “regardless of whether the person knew or should have known that the abortion would be performed or induced in violation of this subchapter”
Ah, thanks for the correction.
> Civil liability for aiding and abetting, however, represents a very underdeveloped theory within common law tort. Courts have stated, seemingly in jest, that precedents in this area of law are "largely confined to isolated acts of adolescents in rural society."
https://scholarship.law.vanderbilt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a...
Looks like uncharted waters.
Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
This law accomplishes a few things that people are missing: 1. A stark reminder that pro-lifers aren't giving up, and that 48 years of fighting later, they are stronger and getting stronger over time. And that the pro-abortion side should take notice. 2. A law that, even though it will almost inevitably fail, in the eyes of pro-lifers, several dozen children will be saved (due to inability to get abortions) and thus…
No one is pro abortion.
I am pro-abortion.
Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
2. Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere, or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. Not to mention the extra loads of single moms (or dads). No one will be "saved". What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican, and to make the US appear even more crazy to the outside world.
Adoption is an option, and you have no idea who that child could become. Steve Jobs was given up for adoption because abortion wasn’t legal at the time.
We also have no idea who the 15% of all pregnancies that end in miscarriages "could become" but we don't obsess over it because pregnancy never has been and never will be the guarantee of a fully formed independent human being. Not in humans, not in any species.
Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
#88Good. I live here and can't leave fast enough. This state is a mess.
Abbott is up for re-election in ~one year, though. Edit: this isn’t to say Democrats will or won’t win…but it’s also not to say Abbott won’t simply get primary’d out.
> it’s also not to say Abbott won’t simply get primary’d out
Is a newsworthy and heavy handed anti-abortion bill likely to make a republican governor more vulnerable to a primary challenge? In Texas?
Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
2. Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere, or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. Not to mention the extra loads of single moms (or dads). No one will be "saved". What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican, and to make the US appear even more crazy to the outside world.
Adoption is an option, and you have no idea who that child could become. Steve Jobs was given up for adoption because abortion wasn’t legal at the time.
I have an inkling as to why this comment is being downvoted, but I'd love to see some actual responses to it that refute or at least engage with the claim that "adoption is an option".
Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
This law accomplishes a few things that people are missing: 1. A stark reminder that pro-lifers aren't giving up, and that 48 years of fighting later, they are stronger and getting stronger over time. And that the pro-abortion side should take notice. 2. A law that, even though it will almost inevitably fail, in the eyes of pro-lifers, several dozen children will be saved (due to inability to get abortions) and thus…
2. Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere, or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. Not to mention the extra loads of single moms (or dads). No one will be "saved". What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican, and to make the US appear even more crazy to the outside world.
> Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere
Some will, but some won't or can't, and for many of the supporters of that law, any number >=1 is a success.
> or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them.
The general argument at that point is that life/society is punishing the parents and family for being immoral or irresponsible, which is kept separate from the goal of saving lives/enforcing punishment by preventing abortion. In other words, the quality of those lives (or lack thereof) thereafter is seen an unrelated concern.
> What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican
I wouldn't say it's planned but I think Republicans are quite happy with an outcome that creates more Republicans.