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Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#81

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> It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them. The way I remember it was more like, the CDC said: - They don't know yet if surgical (and in general, non-N95) masks are effective against COVID-19 spread. They never denied this for N95. - Hospitals are running out of surgical (and N95...) masks, and given the above, people should stop hoarding them. That seemed.…

We can see from this and other examples how the CDC lying to the public has backfired immensely. Not that the CDC is incentivized much to care. The bigger the crisis the bigger the funding.

> We can see from this and other examples how the CDC lying to the public has backfired immensely.

I don't see a lie in this example.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#82

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Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical studies"?

Yes, there are plenty of shitty incompetent doctors like there are with any other profession. Did these same doctors not contribute to the opioid crisis? Can every programmer understand every whitepaper and implement what they read?

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Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them. People are wise to the game now, and expect that the CDC is saying things to influence behavior, rather than because they are true. Nobody trusts a salesman.

> It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them. The way I remember it was more like, the CDC said: - They don't know yet if surgical (and in general, non-N95) masks are effective against COVID-19 spread. They never denied this for N95. - Hospitals are running out of surgical (and N95...) masks, and given the above, people should stop hoarding them. That seemed.…

At the time, the US Surgeon General tweeted:

> "Seriously people - STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!"

There was absolutely quite a bit of false messaging on the point from authority figures.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#84
post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

Nobody doubts Ivermectin for what it was made to do. Coronavirus is not one of those things.

Moreover,

> https://ivmmeta.com/

we're on "Hacker News". This is anonymous website. WHOIS is hidden. It runs on Google Cloud. Nobody is signed, they use mysterious "we". And what is "real-time meta analysis" - that's not a real scientific term.

You know, all and all pretty suspicious website, for what it claims to be.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#85
post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

What a shitshow. I thought I was on HN not Reddit. This thread is worthless

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical studies"?

Yes, there are plenty of shitty incompetent doctors like there are with any other profession. Did these same doctors not contribute to the opioid crisis? Can every programmer understand every whitepaper and implement what they read?

Agree, and I have no reason to believe that international and national health organisations don't have their own fair share of shitty incompetent doctors too.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them. The way I remember it was more like, the CDC said: - They don't know yet if surgical (and in general, non-N95) masks are effective against COVID-19 spread. They never denied this for N95. - Hospitals are running out of surgical (and N95...) masks, and given the above, people should stop hoarding them. That seemed.…

At the time, the US Surgeon General tweeted: > "Seriously people - STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!" There was absolutely quite a bit of false messaging on the point from authority figures.

Here is the tweet

https://web.archive.org/web/20200229123317/https://twitter.c...

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#89
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical studies"?

> Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. [Citation needed] Also, for those that are prescribing it, this is not an FDA approved treatment for Covid.

Nor were covid vaccines until recently.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

#90
post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

The one that Americans would have access to for self treating COVID would be the horse variety unless they found doctors to prescribe them some.

I've seen so much on this subject here lately, I cannot resist asking the following question: If there's really such an altruistic, humanitarian concern, why not disclose the actual differences between the veterinary and human variety rather than vaguely implying possible absorption issues. The difference of a 1200lb beast vs 160lb human is a bit too easy. The ingredients, however, might offer a clue.

Also, as I understand, ivermectin is more commonly used as a cat (and sometimes dog) medicine, ie Revolution, that is, if cats outnumber domestic horses. I wonder if the cute-factor of people using catpaste would reduce the outrage.

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