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Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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It would be way too easy to scam them. Pawnshops need to validate the quality of the item and determine if it’s legit. Most Pawnshops will also sell on ebay.

This is exactly what people said about eBay, no?

How can I put this. The clientele who are using eBay is not quite the same as Pawnshops. I’ve seen someone get off a city bus with a massive TV heading into the pawnshop. I doubt the person owned the TV and the pawnshop was known as a fence. It had a walk up after hours window that was open late. Although it’s much more common for homeless people to have phones these days than when I saw this occur. Junkies will find junk that’s for sure.

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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I worked at a mall in the 90's in two different stores. One was a clothing store, and 'home shoppers' made up the majority of the thefts.

The way it works, is you 'place an order', and someone from the theft ring steals what you want, and in a few days you get your items at a discount from the 'home shopper'.

I remember my dad would buy some random clothing items from a friend of a friend who had things in the trunk of his car. I never thought much of it.

When I worked at JC Penny I then saw how it worked. You'd have random individual shoplifters (they'd leave all the tags and stuff from the clothes in the bathrooms or dressing rooms), or you'd have multiple shoplifters come in at once, fill their carts and then dash out the door, getaway car waiting for them.

Store security couldn't do much, if you tackled the people you'd get fired, so the best defense was to jam up the automatic doors with empty shopping carts, that way they could only leave with what they could fit in their hands.

It wasn't much different at the electronics store I worked at afterward. PC add-in cards would end up missing, empty boxes found in the appliances on the other end of the store, sliced open so they could be fished out the bottom. There go the new $300 3Dfx cards...

And the organized shoplifters came in at night, just before close. You'd have 5-6 people come in, and all head for the CD aisle. We'd page for customer assistance, and anyone still working in the store would head over. They'd fill their coats with CD's and again run out the door, getaway car waiting.

All you can do is get them on camera, record the description or license plate of the car, and let the police know, and let the other stores know. Our internal email system had a ongoing thread of the shoplifters they'd seen lately, because they would hit every store in the state.

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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This appears to be part of a long running PR campaign by large corporations that are happy to lock up poor, mentally-ill and drug-addicted people at the taxpayers expense if it lets them fear monger, while at the same time stealing from their own employees. https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/... https://www.npr.org/2020/10/16/923844907/when-shoplifting-is... https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinio…

Yes i have seen the articles to much if the same content in different places to be spontaneous

Let's suppose there is a real problem with shoplifters effectively being immune from punishment, would you expe t there to be little news coverage?

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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but in Texas, how likely is the staff or the store owner to be armed, and actually confront you? No way that would happen in California. I keep thinking of this event that happened to me in the UK, where laws are equally useless at preventing theft, and staff are just powerless to do anything about it. I chased down a shoplifter. I cornered him in an alley. He stopped, looked at me, and this brief conversation took p…

>> but in Texas, how likely is the staff or the store owner to be armed, and actually confront you? At a CVS? Not likely at all.

In a fairly liberal area of PA I saw a manager of a Walgreens very aggressively (not physically) confront a shoplifter and yell out to never come to the store again. The punk tried to respond, but ultimately cowered to the anger of the manager.

In TX they'd be more intimidating, I'm sure. Unless corporate bans guns.

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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A friend of mine is a manager at a Safeway. He says a typical store might lose six figures worth of product in a year. In a bad neighborhood it's not uncommon to lose over a million dollars a year. They hire security personnel, but people figure out that a) even when security catches you, they are not allowed to restrain you and b) the police do not respond to shoplifters (in certain jurisdictions they are not allowe…

I noticed my local Home Depot has done away with the security tag scanners at the front of the store, apparently in favor of a cluster of new cameras above all the exits. I wonder if we're headed for just having an AI watch everyone all the time in the store like the automatic-purchase grocery stores Amazon was setting up. Either that or they discovered that it was better for their bottom line to put real security around the power tools than bust people for stealing trivial things.

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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Can you link to some sources on this? edit: I'd seen this mentioned recently, but hadn't realised it was a long running culture war thing so it had already been discredited by research years ago: https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/...

That's 2018. Wr're here in 2021 watching videos of stores being actively raided.

I've worked in retail before (walmart) as a 3rd shift stocker, ages ago.

Never once would I even consider saying anything to a suspected thief. In fact, I walked away from at least 2 times where I knew people were destroying the spider-alarms on electronics in the pets aisle. It is not worth my personal safety in saying anything, especially for someone making $9/hr.

Maybe that's the wrong approach. But it's not my stuff, its not my role I was hired in as, and not worth any personal injury I might receive. I will intentionally give a blind eye to petty or professional retail theft. Let security deal with it.

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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I love a good foot chase! Given the sentiments of your last paragraph, why did you choose to send the criminal away and return Tesco’s stolen beef?

I don't understand putting your personal safety at risk (who knows if he had a knife or something) over £100 of goods belonging to a £20B company. It's not like he stole your meat and cheese as you were shopping. Nobody is going to miss that cheese. Nobody is going to get fired over it. It's really not that important.

You mention the meat and cheese, but the comment explicitly disavows that motive.

P: I chased this guy for law and justice, not meat and cheese.

Q: why did you chase for meat cheese?

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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I love a good foot chase! Given the sentiments of your last paragraph, why did you choose to send the criminal away and return Tesco’s stolen beef?

I don't understand putting your personal safety at risk (who knows if he had a knife or something) over £100 of goods belonging to a £20B company. It's not like he stole your meat and cheese as you were shopping. Nobody is going to miss that cheese. Nobody is going to get fired over it. It's really not that important.

Well, the principle of the matter for one and some have personal courage.

Also, what you propose radically changes society for the worse. If Tesco can't assume a high trust environment to sell their goods, they will implement policies to protect themselves that are more expensive/less convenient for everyone. Thomas Sowell has written extensively about this.

Re: Retailers are spending millions to combat organized theft from stores

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> how the West Coast is happy driving productive people The evidence for this happening in economically-meaningful numbers is scarce. What we do see happening is those productive people disengaging from that broken society—civically, physically and emotionally.

The evidence for this happening in economically-meaningful numbers is scarce. It doesn't take numbers meaningful to California to have a meaningful effect on other states, where housing costs are massively skyrocketing due to an influx of new residents.

What does that have to do with crime? Could be people just getting priced out. Land in the western US is still more expensive and still getting more expensive than elsewhere, clearly it is in demand even more than it is not in demand.
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