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T-Mobile Hacker Who Stole Data on 50M Customers: ‘Their Security Is Awful’

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How? I have limited data and pay $65? Part of a larger family plan?

Yes you have to go in with at least two other people. Looks like it's going for $30 a month/line right now. https://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans/essentials

If you go in with 10 before Sept 15th you can get it for $15/m

Re: T-Mobile Hacker Who Stole Data on 50M Customers: ‘Their Security Is Awful’

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> I've also heard that Turkish authorities are quite amenable to bribes as well. If the dude is banking on this, the major issue is that the Turkish authorities may be quite amenable to bribes from anyone indeed. Subsequently, my wager is that both TMobile and many among the 50M whose details were stolen have far deeper pockets than hacker exhibit A. In other words, the dude must be absolutely certain that government…

What would Tmobile or those whose details have already been leaked have to gain from going after the guy now? The information is already out there, is it not?

Well, the first thing that springs to mind is to make an example out of him to discourage others trying to pull similar stunts.

Second, if the dude manages to make any appreciable sum out of selling the data, the corrupt officials may come by with the proverbial $5 wrench and encourage him to share the spoils for continued protection and avoidance of wrench induced bruising.

Re: T-Mobile Hacker Who Stole Data on 50M Customers: ‘Their Security Is Awful’

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From the article "John Binns, a 21-year-old American who moved to Turkey a few years ago" I'm assuming it is the Turkey thing, probably counting on that to be a significant barrier. Yes they have extradition but I've also heard that Turkish authorities are quite amenable to bribes as well.

> I've also heard that Turkish authorities are quite amenable to bribes as well. If the dude is banking on this, the major issue is that the Turkish authorities may be quite amenable to bribes from anyone indeed. Subsequently, my wager is that both TMobile and many among the 50M whose details were stolen have far deeper pockets than hacker exhibit A. In other words, the dude must be absolutely certain that government…

He also appears to have turkish citizenship, so that might help

Re: T-Mobile Hacker Who Stole Data on 50M Customers: ‘Their Security Is Awful’

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I don't doubt that T-Mobile could have done more, but it's also frustrating to see this trope that spending more money on security is some type of silver bullet. It's not. I've been in security for over a decade. I currently work at a FAANG with nearly unlimited security budget. Previously I worked at another major tech company with nearly unlimited security budget. Before that I was a consultant and consulted at com…

This makes no sense at all---you're implying that the bad guys somehow have a monopoly on innovation and effectiveness, when in reality, there is just more upside for them to steal sensitive info than there is downside for companies to protect it. If T-Mobile's latest data breach led to them getting fined, say, $5 billion, I promise you it would be the last.

It would be the last for T-Mobile because it would end T-Mobile. But it wouldn't be the last breach ever.

I could give $5 billion to my FAANG right now and I bet we'd still be breached (hell, I'm pretty sure we already have that budget in my FAANG's security department). The US DoD already has a cyber security budget of $10 billion, and they still get breached.

You underestimate the amount that these companies care about security. Just because they get fined "only" a couple hundred million dollars doesn't mean they aren't scared shitless by being breached. I've sat in boardrooms with CEOs telling us they were willing to pay whatever it takes to increase their security (and they put their money where their mouth is, too). They still get breached.

Budget isn't everything. Does it help? Sure. Like any other security professional, I can recount plenty of tales of teams deprioritizing security in favor of something else. Would they have done differently if they were incentivized better by bigger potential fines? Maybe. Would they have actually been able to implement ironclad security even if they did prioritize it? In the cases I've seen, it's doubtful.

edit: and consider this. If you truly do think that money is everything, you should realize that you will never be able to throw more money at your security than a nation state attacker like China will be able to throw at breaching your security. In the competition of who can spend the most money, you've already lost.

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how on earth do you have 3 lines with unlimited data for 32 a month?

this is crazy what you pay in america, in europe the cheapest unlimited t-mobile plan goes with 90€

Technically, it's not unlimited. More like 20-30GB at 5G speeds and everything after at unusable speeds.

Re: T-Mobile Hacker Who Stole Data on 50M Customers: ‘Their Security Is Awful’

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post #23

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From the article "John Binns, a 21-year-old American who moved to Turkey a few years ago" I'm assuming it is the Turkey thing, probably counting on that to be a significant barrier. Yes they have extradition but I've also heard that Turkish authorities are quite amenable to bribes as well.

> I've also heard that Turkish authorities are quite amenable to bribes as well. If the dude is banking on this, the major issue is that the Turkish authorities may be quite amenable to bribes from anyone indeed. Subsequently, my wager is that both TMobile and many among the 50M whose details were stolen have far deeper pockets than hacker exhibit A. In other words, the dude must be absolutely certain that government…

Bribes often get more bang for your buck from the bottom up. A big bribe from T-mobile to the Turkish government can be less effective than a small bribe to the two field agents who are sent out to scoop him up.

Re: T-Mobile Hacker Who Stole Data on 50M Customers: ‘Their Security Is Awful’

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post #75

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I don't doubt that T-Mobile could have done more, but it's also frustrating to see this trope that spending more money on security is some type of silver bullet. It's not. I've been in security for over a decade. I currently work at a FAANG with nearly unlimited security budget. Previously I worked at another major tech company with nearly unlimited security budget. Before that I was a consultant and consulted at com…

I don’t do anything security related — I’m a lowly bare metal programmer — but I’m still mystified as to how user passwords are securely kept on disk? The only thing I could think of was to encrypt a user’s password with their password…

Don't store them. Hash the password and store that, using a suitably strong algorithm that's relatively chunky and expensive to compute en masse (most, if not all, modern options, such as scrypt, Argon2, and bcrypt, support a scaling work factor so that in the future you can increase the work needed as computing resources increase). Then you can compute a hash based on the password that's passed in and make sure that they match.

Some folks will then further encrypt the stored hashes such that a database compromise, but not an application-server compromise, leaves the attacker without the keys necessary to decrypt even the hashes, but I am ambivalent about the usefulness of that (can't hurt, but the threat model for that seems more geared towards internal threats than external).

Re: T-Mobile Hacker Who Stole Data on 50M Customers: ‘Their Security Is Awful’

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"A booming industry of cybersecurity consultants, software suppliers and incident-response teams have so far failed to turn the tide against hackers and identity thieves who fuel their businesses by tapping these deep reservoirs of stolen corporate data." Sure, blame the consultants with their "booming industry". I'm sure T-Mobile spent adequate amounts of money on securing their data, hired all the best people, and…

I don't doubt that T-Mobile could have done more, but it's also frustrating to see this trope that spending more money on security is some type of silver bullet. It's not. I've been in security for over a decade. I currently work at a FAANG with nearly unlimited security budget. Previously I worked at another major tech company with nearly unlimited security budget. Before that I was a consultant and consulted at com…

> Software devs are awful at it (the amount of FAANG engineers I know that don't even understand what encryption is, or think that hashing passwords is unimportant, would blow your mind)

But that's not because there aren't also lots of devs who understand security, it's because FAANG companies have purposely chosen to prioritize hiring based on leet code ability above hiring based on security knowledge.

edit: This is why software developers would benefit from a union or licensing process, because currently devs who don't understand security are artificially lowering developer salaries by externalizing risk onto users.

Re: T-Mobile Hacker Who Stole Data on 50M Customers: ‘Their Security Is Awful’

#90
It seems almost like a combinatorial impossibility that any software could be secure nowadays. Given that security basically depends on the interactions between various components being sound, and the fact that most systems nowadays are built from countless layers each with their own complex and confusing API, how could any software be even remotely secure?
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