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Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by zepto »

transitory_pce wrote: post #46
anovikov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these are mental health issues. ESPECIALLY violent rape. Really every cop will tell you that vast majority of crime is not committed by some cold-blooded, well-planning, career criminals - but by mentally unstable or sick people and/or people suffering from addictions, that do ridiculous things being clearly out of sane mind. Sadly, psychiatry is really in its infancy and its success record at both diagnosis…

What about cold blooded well planning rapists who work as cops?

Most of these are mental health issues.

Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by TomSwirly »

rainworld wrote: post #37
Sporktacular wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you knew knowing she bought the shotgun but you didn't know she was acquitted? Or were you just hoping no one else did? You seem to have an agenda here, trying to find any way to undermine the left.

I’m familiar with the details of the case, tyvm. Wrongful verdicts happen all the time. Especially when there’s enormous social pressure and polarization, then and now. The left (or progressivism, really) does not need my help undermining itself—it’s just that it’s a painfully slow slide down and I’d rather see something else during my lifetime and for my descendants.

If you have descendents, perhaps being on the side of the people who want to increase pollution and carbon dioxide output is not a good idea?

I'm not an American, but the Right there seems to be actually mentally ill - not an insult, I mean they sound like crazy homeless people screaming incoherently in the street.

Listened to multiple Republicans like Boebert lauding the Taliban and the deafening silence from the rest of you makes your stance pretty clear...

Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by Vrondi »

Gunax wrote: post #79

If putting every rapist in solitary confinement prevented a single rape, it would be unethical to not do so. These sorts of articles come out a lot. I think they gain traction because people conflate the wrong ng conviction with the harshness of the punishment. Note how almost always it's about innocent people suffering, but presented as a human rights abuse innehich case their guilt should be irrelevant. The courts…

It would be unethical if in the process we also put innocent people in solitary confinement (or even in non-solitary prison), which we do currently.

Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by bserge »

guerrilla wrote: post #64
bserge wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those kinds of people, why not death? Quick and easy. Somehow keeping them in solitary like absolute animals is more humane?

The reason usually given by people (and even argued in liberal political philosophy) is that the possibility of wrongfully killing someone is not worth it. It's considered not only an injustice to the individual but also harms others effected by the loss of the person. I agree, but I tend to think life imprisonment can be as bad or worse. Imprisoning someone for life is in many places simply torture, so we're wrongfu…

Yeah, same. Life in prison just doesn't make sense to me, it's worthless at best and torture at worst. Just put a bullet in my head and be done with it.

Also, is it possible that Breivik for example was wrongfully convicted? Something tells me the answer is "no".

Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by Gunax »

Vrondi wrote: post #83
Gunax wrote: post #79

If putting every rapist in solitary confinement prevented a single rape, it would be unethical to not do so. These sorts of articles come out a lot. I think they gain traction because people conflate the wrong ng conviction with the harshness of the punishment. Note how almost always it's about innocent people suffering, but presented as a human rights abuse innehich case their guilt should be irrelevant. The courts…

It would be unethical if in the process we also put innocent people in solitary confinement (or even in non-solitary prison), which we do currently.

Then it seems like all punishment is unethical.

Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by tomjen3 »

throwawaygimp wrote: post #9

UBI + health (and other calamity) insurance for all. A strong public mental health system. Prescription drugs of every kind, heroin, meth, whatever. With the right counselling and support attached. I might be an idiot but pretty sure most crime will just go away, then we can spend proper resources to help and support (and punish when needed) the few offenders who really struggle to stay within the rules of society. T…

I certainly appreciate dreaming, but you are missing domestic violence[0], the I want shiny thing effect, rape[1], jalousy murder and all traffic violations, which are probably going to be worse when drugs are more freely available.

Some of that may be solvable by only making UBI availabel to nonfellons, or keep people in prison until we are pretty sure they won't commit any crimes[3]

[0]: alcohol makes this a worse problem, but it is not the only thing that causes it. [1]: it is almost always easier to hire a prostitute, if this was about sex. [3]: you will have ended nearly all non serious crimes, meaning that those who do commit crimes will be really bad people.

Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by likeclockwork »

tomjen3 wrote: post #86
throwawaygimp wrote: post #9

UBI + health (and other calamity) insurance for all. A strong public mental health system. Prescription drugs of every kind, heroin, meth, whatever. With the right counselling and support attached. I might be an idiot but pretty sure most crime will just go away, then we can spend proper resources to help and support (and punish when needed) the few offenders who really struggle to stay within the rules of society. T…

I certainly appreciate dreaming, but you are missing domestic violence[0], the I want shiny thing effect, rape[1], jalousy murder and all traffic violations, which are probably going to be worse when drugs are more freely available. Some of that may be solvable by only making UBI availabel to nonfellons, or keep people in prison until we are pretty sure they won't commit any crimes[3] [0]: alcohol makes this a worse…

> A strong public mental health system.

I think you missed this point maybe.

Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by BayAreaEscapee »

Gunax wrote: post #77
throwawaygimp wrote: post #9

UBI + health (and other calamity) insurance for all. A strong public mental health system. Prescription drugs of every kind, heroin, meth, whatever. With the right counselling and support attached. I might be an idiot but pretty sure most crime will just go away, then we can spend proper resources to help and support (and punish when needed) the few offenders who really struggle to stay within the rules of society. T…

I don't think there's anything wrong with starting a debate. Rehabilitation is one of those code words that polls well, but I am skeptical it exists. In reality it usually just means 'addiction treatment' (which seldom works) and there isnt really a good analogy for crimes that are not drug related. Just for my own clarity, what exactly constitues rehabilitation for eg. someone who embezzles? The second issue is that…

I don't disagree with our premise against people being inherently good. I personally don't think that a universal basic income will solve all the problems that its proponents think it will solve.

But I don't think your example about rape in occupied Germany is a great example. The citizens of the Soviet Union suffered greatly, and it is estimated that about 26 million of them died during WW2. I have no doubt that the minds of those soldiers were filled with thoughts of rage and revenge, and probably felt that the perpetrators of the war somehow deserved it.

Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by anovikov »

zepto wrote: post #81
transitory_pce wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about cold blooded well planning rapists who work as cops?

Most of these are mental health issues.

Basically, is there any "rational" reason to be a rapist AT ALL? Especially in today's world which is full of easy to get sex. I think every rapist is mentally not OK.

Re: Experience: I spent 29 years in solitary confinement (2010)

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Post by IiydAbITMvJkqKf »

TomSwirly wrote: post #80
throwawaygimp wrote: post #9

UBI + health (and other calamity) insurance for all. A strong public mental health system. Prescription drugs of every kind, heroin, meth, whatever. With the right counselling and support attached. I might be an idiot but pretty sure most crime will just go away, then we can spend proper resources to help and support (and punish when needed) the few offenders who really struggle to stay within the rules of society. T…

> There are a few genuinely 'bad people' out there. But it's vanishingly small. 70 million people voted for Donald Trump.

If you think half of the USA are genuinely bad people you desperately need to go outside.
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