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Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by wintermutestwin »

svrourke wrote: post #79
wintermutestwin wrote: post #78

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You are severely underestimating (or understating) the power of big data. You really think their stalkertech amounts to: user#=1337, likes=dogs???

no but back to the economic argument the supply is so significant that no one person's data is worth jack unless they're a politician or something like that. Individually its basically worthless.

Shouldn't I be allowed to set the price for my data? Frankly, I don't want to sell it at all, so these companies are essentially engaging in theft (ergo "FaceCrook"). Due to their network effect monopoly (and the blatant failings of our govt to effectively enforce anti-trust laws and to generally protect consumers from corporate abuse), I am forced to use their platform. Even if I didn't, they would still be stealing my data.

Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by JadeNB »

dane-pgp wrote: post #80
JadeNB wrote: post #58

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> This implies freedom to remember you say bigoted things and proactively avoid you. Certainly. Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences, as they say.

“There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.” ― Idi Amin https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9082497-there-is-freedom-of...

That's not the company into which I'd prefer to be lumped as a believer in free speech with consequences. I'm not sure whether or not that was your point ….

Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by riffic »

streamofdigits wrote: post #26

I wonder if all the hoopla is because mastodon / the fediverse are finally receiving some (deserved) traction? The accounts count does not seem to show a new regime ( https://the-federation.info/ ) but maybe there are more reliable indicators? In any case, sorting out conflicts of interest, business models, competing visions etc about the fediverse is a task that is still almost 100% for the future, as being niche an…

quick, give me an accurate count of the number of email addresses provisioned worldwide.

You'll never be able to accurately measure the federated social web unfortunately, just due to how it works (and how statistics can be inflated).

Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by riffic »

p4bl0 wrote: post #60

I really wonder how Bluesky [1] (Twitter's project of project to build a decentralized social media protocol) will take ActivityPub and especially Mastodon into account… Both the W3C and RetroShare have reacted to the news on Twitter [2] but are totally ignored so far. [1] https://blueskyweb.org/ [2] https://twitter.com/jack/status/1204766078468911106

Until someone from the Bluesky leadership team officially stands up their own AP-speaking site, I wouldn't expect them to commit to anything.

On the other hand, they've been quick to build a community around a proprietary/closed/centralized service (Discord).

Bare minimum would be to stand up a WP site with the ActivityPub Plugin for feeding back their statuses to the existing standards-based social web.

Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by qmmmur »

zo1 wrote: post #17
qmmmur wrote: post #5

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Restricted the most? What?

Not OP. It's kinda hard to find examples at this point, and I don't feel too inclined to trawl through pages and pages of google results before finding what appears to be SEO-demoted results. Some examples I did find: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-a... And some other relevant links from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_c…

Do you like hate speech or something?

Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by riffic »

southerntofu wrote: post #18

Related discussion: there was recently some move within the community to try and topple the current maintainer. That calls was based on technical/UX disagreements (regarding the local timeline) and on the maintainer allegedly having connection to a surveillance project called Eunomia: https://seedy.xyz/posts/0005-open-letter/ I am not a member of the Mastodon community and i have no clue to the veracity of these stat…

the "open letter" against Eugen Rochko is a load of garbage and he doesn't owe anyone an absolute thing. He created the software, he's the BDFL*, and can do whatever he wants with it now.

My thought is there's nothing stopping this letter's author from developing either a fork or their own fedi/AP compliant software.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life

Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by dane-pgp »

JadeNB wrote: post #82
dane-pgp wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.” ― Idi Amin https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9082497-there-is-freedom-of...

That's not the company into which I'd prefer to be lumped as a believer in free speech with consequences. I'm not sure whether or not that was your point ….

I'm saying that unless you're really careful to specify what sort of "consequences" you're talking about, it's hard to separate your beliefs from his.

Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by JadeNB »

dane-pgp wrote: post #87
JadeNB wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the company into which I'd prefer to be lumped as a believer in free speech with consequences. I'm not sure whether or not that was your point ….

I'm saying that unless you're really careful to specify what sort of "consequences" you're talking about, it's hard to separate your beliefs from his.

> I'm saying that unless you're really careful to specify what sort of "consequences" you're talking about, it's hard to separate your beliefs from his.

Since you refer to them as "my beliefs", I assume that yours are different. With no sarcasm, what are your beliefs? If you argue against the claim that freedom of speech does not entail freedom from consequences, is your position that freedom of speech should come with freedom from consequences? Surely it's not hard to imagine how that, too, can be a dangerous position to take.

Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by stjohnswarts »

riffic wrote: post #86
southerntofu wrote: post #18

Related discussion: there was recently some move within the community to try and topple the current maintainer. That calls was based on technical/UX disagreements (regarding the local timeline) and on the maintainer allegedly having connection to a surveillance project called Eunomia: https://seedy.xyz/posts/0005-open-letter/ I am not a member of the Mastodon community and i have no clue to the veracity of these stat…

the "open letter" against Eugen Rochko is a load of garbage and he doesn't owe anyone an absolute thing. He created the software, he's the BDFL*, and can do whatever he wants with it now. My thought is there's nothing stopping this letter's author from developing either a fork or their own fedi/AP compliant software. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life

Isn't that the whole point? Seems like these people don't understand open source and they want to take over his "baby" rather than going out and making their on even though they can clone his in under a minute and change it to their liking and own sphere of influence.

Re: Mastodon now a non-profit organisation

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Post by stjohnswarts »

user-the-name wrote: post #27
legostormtroopr wrote: post #25

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This is a really bad faith comment

Why? "Active moderation against racism, sexism and transphobia" is, indeed, just basic human decency. And people keep saying, over and over and over, that doing this is against "freedom of speech".

Exactly there is nothing stopping them from taking mastodon source code and making their own little hate parade off in another niche of the internet. Basically "your rights end at the tip of your nose" when it comes to what I want on my own network.
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