As it seems on topic, in case one wanted to join a quality internet death cult, but not sell one's soul, the Internet Death Cult of Fun is highly recommended.
How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils
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Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils
#82Thinking about how this plays with Gurdjieff's[0] idea that I've been partial to lately that one is not born with, but instead must develop a soul through effort. [0] https://www.wikiwand.com/en/George_Gurdjieff
That's an interesting concept which aligns well with our vernacular use of the expressions "soulless" and "selling your soul." If a soul is sensitivity to others then that certainly has to be developed. The fact that it's poorly developed in many people (and even less so down the line of animals) is a good indicator that it might be learned or built-up evolutionarily in the species and the individual.
Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils
#83On a related note, let's clear up a few things...
Myth: The "soul" is something separate from the body.
Fact: The soul being a separate entity from the physical body did not come from Judaism or Christianity. In Genesis 2:7, the first man "became" a soul (Hebrew "Nephesh"[1]), he was not "given" a soul. The Old Testament teaches that the "soul" is the whole person. The Bible uses the word "soul" in reference to both humans and animals (Genesis chapter 1 and Revelation both do this). The Old Testament also teaches that the soul can die. See Ezekiel 18:4, 20.
Myth: Hell is a fiery place of torment to punish those who reject God.
Fact: There is no word "hell" in the original writings of the Bible. This was a later development. The idea that God punishes people for all eternity, essentially making him worse than Hitler, is not found in the Bible. In multiple places the Old Testament says that God does not condone burning your children in fire. See Jeremiah 7:31; 2 Kings 17:17; 2 Chronicles 28:3; Deuteronomy 12:29-31 for a few examples. When the New Testament speaks about "eternal fire", these are symbols or illustrations to demonstrate eternal destruction of the evil ones, not literal torment. Also, the place that Jesus said people would go for this "eternal fire" was called "Gehenna"[2] (not Hell) which in those days was just a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem.
Myth: The Devil's name is Lucifer.
Fact: The word "Lucifer"[3] comes from the Latin translation of Isaiah 14:12. It's simply a word that means "shining one", a word that was used to describe the King of Babylon at that time, not the Devil. The King's fall is similar to that of the Devil, but the Devil in the Bible is never referred to as "Lucifer".
[1] https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h5315/kjv/wlc/0-1/
[2] https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g1067/kjv/tr/0-1/
[3] https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h1966/kjv/wlc/0-1/
Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils
#84I will never get a more relevant chance to bring this up, so has anyone heard of Napoleon Hill’s(Think and Grow Rich) other book? It’s called Outwitting the Devil, where he interviews the devil. He refused to publish it during his lifetime, and his estate also put off publishing it for decades because it contains strongs critiques of the educational system, the government, and the church as being tools of the ‘devil’…
"The Screwtape Letters" by CS Lewis is another book written from the similar point of view. Here the tricks are presented by an older demon to a younger one.
Great book and so is Mere Christianity
Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends on your sins, wouldn't it? Murder would be one term, but working for an digital ads company, developing dark pattern UI, or social media companies would be at least half of eternity.
Is eternity countable? I really want to know what I am in for, ya know. Plus, depending on the properties of the eternal manifold, maybe I can perform some useful closed timelike computation while there and use that to get rich when/if I return.
It's countable. But you can always add 1.
Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not the way math works. G-d himself can't reverse a hash. Before you go invoking the "miracle" loophole, consider that miracles are logically impossible. If an impossible thing happens, then it was not in fact impossible. We just didn't understand the rules.
That's how maths works. Hashes are trivially reversible, all it takes is time, no miracle needed. Oracles in complexity theory are a bread and butter concept
If two different x can produce the same y information is lost on the hash transformation. Finding _an x_ for your y is not the same as finding _the x_. That said, Laplace's Demon is, well, a demon. Presumably the devil can get the demon to unspool time to see what the input was and the math doesn't matter, collisions or not.
Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils
#87One might wish to be careful with this. While strict materialism is probably the dominant paradigm amongst HN readers, there is significant evidence and reliable testimony of inexplicable events[1] that defy a natural explanation. On the other hand, it may well be the fastest way to start speaking fluent Aramaic. Duolingo eat your heart out! [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/01/...
All quantum events defy natural explanation. Since all physical phenomena derive from quantum behavior, the physical world can neither be observed nor predicted accurately without access to the quantum view -- which we don't have.
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#88Recommended contemporary occultists(demonic/dark magic practitioners) and their works: EA Koetting (founder of BALG, 9 demonic gatekeepers) Konstantinos (Nocturnal Witchcraft) Somnus Dreadwood (Maergzjiran Cabal founder) Kurtis Joseph (Black Magick of Ahriman) Mark Alan Smith (Primal Craft books) S. Connolly (The Complete Book of Demonolatry) Asenath Mason (deals with Qliphotic magic) NAA 218 (unknown author, created…
Hey deadalus, quick question here: how does all of this compare to Luciferianism and left-hand path kind of stuff? I started reading some of the latter, but I found them to be so ridden with grammar errors that I wish Satan were an English teacher. Perhaps the most decent book I found was Anton LaVey's The Satanic Bible, but so far I am finding it too down-to-earth to quench my thirst for the exotic. By the way, do y…
Despite the name, LaVeyan Satanism has nothing to do with summoning occult beings as in GP's post. The latter (as with worship of the devil more generally) would instead be comprised under "Diabolism" which is very much a niche pursuit. It's even hard to tell if what looks like Diabolist practice isn't something subtly different, and more like the Voudun practice of summoning some "negative, dark, powerful" archetypal beings who are however quite recognizably different from any "devil". Heck, occasionally even something as basic as worship of the god Cernunnos (a very recognizable archetype of nature and the "male" principle) gets conflated by some with Diabolism.
Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils
#89As an atheist I must point out this is for entertainment purposes. Although, I see 'selling one's soul' as a contract with oneself. For example, if I say I would sell my soul for a hot-cooked meal, that means I'm going to get up and go cook. If I don't, then the consequences are that I will suffer with a cold sandwich.
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#90Notes for those planning to sell your soul online: eBay specifically prohibits such transactions. [1] Compared to some online bans, the reasoning is pleasingly coherent. eBay does not allow the auctioning of human souls for the following reasons: If the soul does not exist, eBay could not allow the auctioning of the soul because there would be nothing to sell. However, if the soul does exist then, in accordance with…
About a dozen people sold their souls on Twitter a while back, so there's another venue.
E.g. https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/142135011902313677...
Terms: https://liminalwarmth.com/contract-for-sale-of-soul/
Discussion: https://liminalwarmth.com/the-questionable-ethics-of-buying-...
As a total atheist I'd still say don't do it. It's not farfetched to interpret the word 'soul' as a future high-res brain scan runnable in emulation on future hardware. There may be other pitfalls.