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Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by jcelerier »

Daishiman wrote: post #68
908B64B197 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The tech industry is strongly biased in the favor of white men That's debatable. CS was overwhelmingly male and wasn't prestigious until recently. > video games even more so I wonder how much of that we can attribute to DOOM. The DOOM devs wanted to make an hyper-violent game centered around Demon and heavy metal, and that reflected in the culture at id (not the violence). And they made a bunch of money which spurr…

> That's debatable. CS was overwhelmingly male and wasn't prestigious until recently. We're talking about the same career that's been known as a money-printing machine for the past 25 years?

It's money-printing but definitely not prestigious in most cultures when compared to doctor, lawyer, professor (even when it makes more money)

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by void_mint »

dreyfan wrote: post #58

Blizzard hasn't produced a decent game in two decades, all the original talent have long departed, and now it's just a sexist cesspool. How about they quit instead of simply walking out?

Generous to think the original talent didn't cultivate the sexist cesspool it is today. I certainly don't extend them that grace. Morhaime was involved. Kaplan was involved. Nobody in executive leadership is innocent.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by madamelic »

bin_bash wrote: post #42
madamelic wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is the DFEH out of line, or is the industry just that broken? No chance DEFH is out of line. The tech industry is strongly biased in the favor of white men in my opinion and video games even more so, considering women playing video games only became socially acceptable a few years ago. It's still common for men to talk down to women on video games, to the point where the overwhelming majority of women do not use vo…

> Think about all those men complaining that a video game _dared_ have a female character or even more so, a non-conventionally attractive one gasp. That was in 2018... That's the _average_ person who is making a video game. What game are you referring to?

Battlefield 5.

I like the fact that someone else responded with another that also works.

It shows how frequently this happens.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by healsdata »

dreyfan wrote: post #58

Blizzard hasn't produced a decent game in two decades, all the original talent have long departed, and now it's just a sexist cesspool. How about they quit instead of simply walking out?

Some of the folks you're probably grouping in with "original talent" were responsible for building the sexist cesspool. Many of the complaints, both in the lawsuit and by (ex-)employees are not recent events.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by GerraldJolkb »

j_walter wrote: post #50
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #34

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Yeah, it's almost like people keep silent because of the power imbalance that leads to the abuse and blaming the weak because they aren't able to stand up to the strong is the wrong thing to do.

They could stand up to the strong, but they choose to go along with it for their own personal reasons (ie, make it in Hollywood or become an Olympic athlete). However even after those things happen the abused continue to keep silent.

who is going to listen to you if you stand up to the strong? unless you have support of anyone in the media (who would also be willing to put their reputation on the line) your message isn't going to go anywhere. not to mention, you think things like 'black cube' suddenly don't exist any more?

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

wayne-li2 wrote: post #31
bagacrap wrote: post #15

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Yeah I don't think Blizzard is going to be able to bring in scabs to replace software devs. This comment reveals how poorly the industry is understood by outsiders, or at least this one journo.

If devs aren’t unionized, there’s no such thing as scabs right? Blizzard can just terminate all the disgruntled employees and hire other devs, perhaps more desperate or entry level or morally ambiguous, whatever. Of course the institutional knowledge lost will be drastic.

What person in their right mind would go work for a company that just fired all it's staff for demanding better conditions?

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by foobarian »

TameAntelope wrote: post #40
beebeepka wrote: post #33

Blizzard is done for. Everyone important left. There's no one to work on StarCraft 3 / WarCraft 4 and their reputation is deservably not what what it used to be only a few years ago. Like almost until the "you all have phones, right" moment. Activision ruined the company. Sure, the market changed but Blizzard was doing much better under Vivendi.

What would, "Blizzard is done" look like? Are you suggesting that the IP (Overwatch, Warcraft, Starcraft) would be shut down, all employees laid off or incorporated into Activisions other departments? I could not imagine any business abandoning billions of dollars of IP like that.

Warcraft alone I can't imagine shutting down. There is a certain community of people that more or less lives in that parallel universe and it would be pretty disruptive to abandon it. It's like buying access to a virtual bar for $15/mo where you reliably get together with your warcraft nerd birds of a feather.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by slg »

bin_bash wrote: post #42
madamelic wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is the DFEH out of line, or is the industry just that broken? No chance DEFH is out of line. The tech industry is strongly biased in the favor of white men in my opinion and video games even more so, considering women playing video games only became socially acceptable a few years ago. It's still common for men to talk down to women on video games, to the point where the overwhelming majority of women do not use vo…

> Think about all those men complaining that a video game _dared_ have a female character or even more so, a non-conventionally attractive one gasp. That was in 2018... That's the _average_ person who is making a video game. What game are you referring to?

There are literally too many to name, but this one comes to mind[1].

[1] - https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/horizon-forbidden-west-aloy...

EDIT: 4 responses within minutes of each other all pointing to a different game just underlines my "too many to name" comment.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by tehjoker »

liambates wrote: post #63

After reading a little more about the CCO, her response does not surprise me in the slightest... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Townsend

"Frances M. "Fran" Fragos Townsend (born December 28, 1961) is the former Homeland Security Advisor to United States President George W. Bush from 2004 to 2007, and is currently executive vice president for corporate affairs at Activision Blizzard."

The Bush administration was the kind of place to sell illegal wars and cover up torture programs, so this lady is fine with sweeping dirt under the rug.

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