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The Realism of Our Times: Kim Stanley Robinson on how science fiction works

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Re: The Realism of Our Times: Kim Stanley Robinson on how science fiction works

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Can ye recommend any novels / authors that are as hard sci-fi as KSR or Arthur C Clarke?

In addition to the existing ones (I'll throw another vote towards any Neal Stephenson or Andy Weir novel):

Contact by Carl Sagan. It's a nice tale about a passionate SETI scientist, by an author known more commonly for nonfiction and TV.

Re: The Realism of Our Times: Kim Stanley Robinson on how science fiction works

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+1 for Seveneves. I found it so engrossing that just thinking about it now I can picture the shapes of that chain in zero-G, and the unexpectedly long-lasting hellscape consequences of the very early reveal. The CB radio...

eh, 1st 1/2 great. 2nd half ... really falls apart

Also, the author has an inexplicable obsession with chains moving in free space. (Okay, I get it, it's cool physics, but how is it any more practical than using a mega-catapult as an airport?)

Re: The Realism of Our Times: Kim Stanley Robinson on how science fiction works

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Really loved the Mars trilogy when I was a teenager. The clunky character development and invented politics haven't aged super well, but the stories are still interesting. I also enjoyed The Memory of Whiteness and The Years of Rice and Salt. More recently I tried reading Aurora (2015), but the book is a downer and a slog. Not recommended. Didn't finish it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(novel)

Currently reading Ministry for the Future, which in some ways is a very optimistic book, but is still quite grim. Also, I'm thinking perhaps next time I'm tempted to read a book with climate change as the subject, I'll wait until winter to do it, rather than in the summer when the described scenes are a bit too easy to imagine by simply stepping outside. Read the mars trilogy and Rice and Salt as well. I like his opt…

I'm having trouble with Ministry for the Future. It seems like it might be more of a manifesto than a novel. I've been pushing on...it seems like the plot might come together but I'm not positive yet and I'm considering giving up.

It's my first KSR book. I wish I'd started with the Mars trilogy as previously planned.

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Currently reading Ministry for the Future, which in some ways is a very optimistic book, but is still quite grim. Also, I'm thinking perhaps next time I'm tempted to read a book with climate change as the subject, I'll wait until winter to do it, rather than in the summer when the described scenes are a bit too easy to imagine by simply stepping outside. Read the mars trilogy and Rice and Salt as well. I like his opt…

I'm having trouble with Ministry for the Future. It seems like it might be more of a manifesto than a novel. I've been pushing on...it seems like the plot might come together but I'm not positive yet and I'm considering giving up. It's my first KSR book. I wish I'd started with the Mars trilogy as previously planned.

No shame putting down a book you're having a hard time getting into. That's something it took me longer than it should have to realize. There's a lot of books out there, and if one's not working out, no one's keeping score on how many you finish. I'd recommend following your gut and trying the Mars books first. If it turns out you like KSR, maybe you might find yourself coming back to Ministry, and in a different frame of mind. Or you might find you actually don't care for KSR even after trying Mars, and then you can move on to other books without worrying you're missing something.

Re: The Realism of Our Times: Kim Stanley Robinson on how science fiction works

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Seeing this on HN, reading the article and the comments, really reminds me of how much I respect KSR. His 2312 brought me back to reading hard sci-fi after too long not really reading much fiction at all for a long time. The ideas presented in it reminded me of a sense of wonder at the scope of future possibilities that had previously been lost under an ever increasing pile of marital, parental, and financial respons…

On O'Brien, I found that I could just relax into the nautical terminology and allow myself to not understand every word: just enjoy the texture. And after a couple of books you'll find you've picked most of it up. After a dozen books you can recognize the names of 20 different sails, and explain when they are used. I realize that doesn't sound like obvious fun, but it's embedded in great stories of adventure and friendship. I've read the whole sequence twice and it's one of the most enjoyable reads of my life.

Re: The Realism of Our Times: Kim Stanley Robinson on how science fiction works

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Seeing this on HN, reading the article and the comments, really reminds me of how much I respect KSR. His 2312 brought me back to reading hard sci-fi after too long not really reading much fiction at all for a long time. The ideas presented in it reminded me of a sense of wonder at the scope of future possibilities that had previously been lost under an ever increasing pile of marital, parental, and financial respons…

Do you have A Sea of Words, the lexicon for reading O'Brian's novels? I highly recommend having it by your side while you read. It helps a lot.

Thanks for the tip, I didn't know that existed. I'll be following that up post-haste.

One terminology that particularly struck me was what's now referred to as a "cut splice"[0]. The use that particular word was jarring, in that it's not the type of novel to have cursing scattered through it. The reason for its usage is historical accuracy.

[0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_splicing

Re: The Realism of Our Times: Kim Stanley Robinson on how science fiction works

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Can ye recommend any novels / authors that are as hard sci-fi as KSR or Arthur C Clarke?

Alastair Reynolds, especially his Revelation Space trilogy are great hard sci Fi novels. He's a former astrophysicist so he knows the hard limits. I find most of his works to be good musings on humanity with a bit of alien horror.

I'm surprised to not see "Pushing Ice" advanced as the leading Reynolds recommendation.

I think his other works are good, but in my view Pushing Ice is an usually good stand alone work.

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Neal Stephenson's earlier work has "more soul" - Snow Crash / Diamond Age actually has characters you care about and like, his later novels get increasingly more abstract, though even better in the technical sense. I think the only character I remember from Seveneves is the cannibal leader, that's it. "A Deepness in the Sky" was REALLY good. The Forever War was good for the concept. In short, yours looks like a great…

I really couldn't get into Snow Crash and I didn't finish Diamond Age but I love everything from Cryptonomicon forward. Jack Shaftoe is one of my favourite fictional characters!

I can totally relate, except Snow Crash stayed on my stack for both its popularity and its brevity. The fourth time I took a stab at the first chapter I was in a much lighter mood, broke through the jarring entry to an AnCap society with an unemployed hacker working as a pizza delivery driver for the mafia, and this time I found myself simply laughing at the absurdity of it. Then I was hooked. One or two passages (the library research scene?) drag out a bit. Overall: highly recommended, mostly for the sense of humor.
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