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Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by ardit33 »

cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

Well, you could include Craigslist in that, everything under the sun. AirBnb/VRBO/Boooking.com all have their use.

The problem is when people rent/sublet their apt. in buildings that don't allow it, and cause nuisance to all.

Buildings should be able to opt out, and airbnb should respect it, and ban users that misuse it. But, i bet, in the name of profit, things get overlooked.

Anyways, if Airbnb is banned in a city, most of these apt will end up in VRBO/Booking.com/Craigslist, etc... etc... so it doesn't solve much. So, you have to ban all, and not just one. Is that realistic?

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by nitrogen »

trident5000 wrote: post #57
lghh wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can’t we create enough supply that it’s not worth investors hoarding?

Because theres not enough land and investors have more money than you. As an investment the average american will always be priced out. Its priced to hit your maximum threshold on monthly wages expendable to rent with minimal savings.

Because theres not enough land

There actually is enough land if you look outward from major cities, but billionaire investors already own that, too.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by alex_smart »

jimbob45 wrote: post #64
alex_smart wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is no real gain in productivity from allowing rental housing other than some scummy landlord who lives three states away getting a bit richer off of the dime of the actual residents in the city. Aren't you completely ignoring the customers of AirBNB in this picture? Namely, the people who only visit the city for short periods of time? Also, it is not very clear from your phrasing, do you mean that nobody shoul…

Hotels exist for largely the same capacity as AirBNB and tourists wouldn’t likely see much of a difference other than drastically reduced prices. I mean houses shouldn’t be available to rent. Apartments are another matter entirely because they use space much more efficiently in a city.

>I mean houses shouldn’t be available to rent.

Congrats, you win the award for the wierdest opinion I have read this month on the internet. Here is your chance to blow my mind with your arguments.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by bostonsre »

cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like.

Isn't the other side of the argument also concerned with housing prices and money?

> To be clear, I don't have a problem with people renting out rooms or an ADU on their property.

What do you see as the differences between airbnb and this? The line between the two seems a little blurry to me and it seems odd to me that someone could be completely fine with one but completely against the other.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by ardit33 »

jwilber wrote: post #40

As this topic becomes more and more mainstream, I look forward to the numerous Twitter posts sure to come from Airbnb employees about the taxing social implications that come with working at Airbnb, how it weighs on their conscious, and and their ultimate decision to follow what’s right and leave. But only after their RSU’s have vested, of course. More seriously, I’ve been very disappointed with Airbnb recently. I sp…

Cleaning a 1bdr. apt, is about 80-100 in NYC. Hotels have dedicated staff, that makes it economically cheap/feasible. AirBnb cleaning makes sense if you stay for a whole week, or more, and that fee gets amortized, otherwise, for short term stays, Airbnb is not cost effective.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by renewiltord »

tptacek wrote: post #72
jimbob45 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get an apartment. Apartments are designed to best utilize space for those who need cheap and temporary housing. Houses take up far more space and unnecessarily contribute to sprawl when unchecked renting is allowed.

Lots of people rent houses long-term. It's a norm throughout much of Europe. Eradicating short-term rentals of houses is a coherent demand. Eradicating all rental housing is deeply silly. I moved for a job to Ann Arbor from San Francisco back in 2001 with my spouse and our two kids. The idea that I should have immediately bought a house simply in order to start a job is risible. There are lots of good reasons not to…

Surely you understand it doesn't sound very convincing that you've drawn the line at just the point where it doesn't affect you and no farther.

Crime is lower in places where more people own their homes, communities are tighter, streets are cleaner. All these externalities of crime, community, and hygiene are apparently not a problem when you're a factor.

EDIT: Whoops, alex_smart below has pointed out that I am suffering from the context-loss-disorder that is common on HN. It is true, renting is a positive-sum thing and good for many.

I'd reply, alex_smart, but the downvotes have limited my ability to do so.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by dorchadas »

bostonsre wrote: post #84
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. Isn't the other side of the argument also concerned with housing prices and money? > To be clear, I don't have a problem with people renting out rooms or an ADU on their property. What do you see a…

> What do you see as the differences between airbnb and this?

Not OP, but I share a similar view. If you're renting out a room of an ADU, you're still occupying the property and using it as housing yourself. The whole difference is that the sole use of the property is not taking it off the long term rental/buying market. With spare rooms/ADUs, that's not the purpose of the property, whereas with renting out a whole house it is.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by mupuff1234 »

I'm really hoping that at some point a "conscientious" airbnb competitor would appear.

Maybe something implementing a few basic (naive?) rules:

1. A property cannot be listed for more than 120 days a year.'

2. One cannot list more than 2 properties.

So limiting to people that aren't actually making a business out of bnb's.

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