Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

Post by oblio » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 10:12 AM UTC

ReptileMan wrote: post #64

Tistron wrote: post #4

Reading articles like this makes me appreciate living in the EU. It's not always great, but clearly it could be worse. Article 1 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights states "Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected." I feel like that would be broken were we to allow this behaviour towards workers.

I would have preferred EU to have stayed purely economic bloc without Brussels ideology and bureaucracy. Make sure that capital, people and goods move without too much friction and the rest will sort itself out in couple of generations.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 10:13 AM UTC

johnchristopher wrote: post #58

dave_sullivan wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are certainly scales, it's not all uniform. But the EU is a big place and people are free to pick which country they live in. It's disingenuous to suggest it's all the same thing. The larger point of EU workers having more rights is, on average, very true. The US (and China and Russia) treats their workers very poorly by comparison.

> But the EU is a big place and people are free to pick which country they live in. There are limits though. You have a 3 months period where you can stay in another UE country then the national authorities can ask for your leaving. There are statuses that allows you to stay longer (work, studies, retirement, etc.) but those statuses have requirements and obligations. You can't take your tent, set it up somewhere in…

Post by menzoic » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 10:16 AM UTC

o8r3oFTZPE wrote: post #67

I remember reading stories in the late 90's/early 00's of workers in the Amazon warehouse becoming millionaires thanks to stock options and big jumps in the stock price. It sounds like that does not happen anymore except for employees in the offices. Perhaps employees in the offices know recognise that Amazon has overstepped its bounds but stick around waiting for vesting and/or (smaller) increases in stock price.

Post by bserge » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 10:16 AM UTC

cyrksoft wrote: post #30

Tistron wrote: post #4

Reading articles like this makes me appreciate living in the EU. It's not always great, but clearly it could be worse. Article 1 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights states "Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected." I feel like that would be broken were we to allow this behaviour towards workers.

Particularly countries like Poland and Hungary, they are very respectful of Article 1. Or Germany making so much business with China and Russia. Don't kid yourself thinking that the EU is a special place that is somewhat exempt of any of this.

Post by _djo_ » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 10:17 AM UTC

yanderekko wrote: post #71

fxtentacle wrote: post #50

Reading this, I'm so glad that in all of the EU it is illegal to fire someone purely based on a software decision. There's a minimum level of humanity that we should extend to everyone. Letting a known faulty AI decide if someone will have money for food tomorrow is way across the line. I'm not surprised that treating humans like cattle on their way to slaughter is hugely profitable. But I'm not sure we want to opera…

>Letting a known faulty AI decide if someone will have money for food tomorrow is way across the line. So is the implication here that humans are less faulty, or that there's something intrinsically wrong about an AI making this decision rather than a human? If the former, then this is an issue that the technology will probably eventually solve. If the latter, well... that doesn't seem very justifiable, to say the le…