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Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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I was 2nd employee at a unicorn startup and have been on a work-hiatus for almost a year. Now, I live amongst Amish people in the country. My biggest insight has been a mindset change. Previously my underlying approach to life looked like: "I will do X which will enable me to do Y so that I can finally do Z." I now approach my days with "What will make me happy?" This is an experiment I'm performing. A structured lif…

Are you rich/have no kids? Because most people probably cannot relate to the life you're living right now.

Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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post #67

I was 2nd employee at a unicorn startup and have been on a work-hiatus for almost a year. Now, I live amongst Amish people in the country. My biggest insight has been a mindset change. Previously my underlying approach to life looked like: "I will do X which will enable me to do Y so that I can finally do Z." I now approach my days with "What will make me happy?" This is an experiment I'm performing. A structured lif…

Are you rich/have no kids? Because most people probably cannot relate to the life you're living right now.

Edit: Sorry, I did not read the article before reading your comment. The point was "what are you retiring to?" I understand what you're saying now.

Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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post #67

I was 2nd employee at a unicorn startup and have been on a work-hiatus for almost a year. Now, I live amongst Amish people in the country. My biggest insight has been a mindset change. Previously my underlying approach to life looked like: "I will do X which will enable me to do Y so that I can finally do Z." I now approach my days with "What will make me happy?" This is an experiment I'm performing. A structured lif…

Are you rich/have no kids? Because most people probably cannot relate to the life you're living right now.

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Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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post #67

I was 2nd employee at a unicorn startup and have been on a work-hiatus for almost a year. Now, I live amongst Amish people in the country. My biggest insight has been a mindset change. Previously my underlying approach to life looked like: "I will do X which will enable me to do Y so that I can finally do Z." I now approach my days with "What will make me happy?" This is an experiment I'm performing. A structured lif…

Are you rich/have no kids? Because most people probably cannot relate to the life you're living right now.

"I was 2nd employee at a unicorn startup"

They're rich.

Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is difficult for me to imagine someone who has so little they want to do outside of work that they can't easily find ways to fill up the 8+ hours a day their job takes from them It’s not that simple. I felt the same way before I crossed the FIRE threshold and took some time off (mini-FIRE, I guess). It turns out, most of the things I had been putting off weren’t as time consuming as I thought. I found myself reg…

> It’s not that simple. It is. I took about 18 months off a few years ago. It was great until I ran out of money. My main motivator was a very big project (converting a bus to live in) that took a lot of time but after that was done I still did lots of other projects, played video games, and traveled. In some ways I missed contributing my skills to a team but, other than needing money, I wasn't strongly motivated to…

> It is. I took about 18 months off a few years ago. It was great until I ran out of money.

I also took a lot of time off, albeit after crossing the threshold of FIRE. My comment was coming from a position of someone who has achieved FIRE.

Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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This person also posted an amazing, unvarnished update recently (about 5-6 years later): https://livingafi.com/2021/03/17/the-2021-early-retirement-u...

I'd like an update on his back issues. Back issues are often the result of people not dealing with stress in their life. Speaking from personal experience and a huge army of others who have had a similar experience (John Sarno crew).

Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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This person also posted an amazing, unvarnished update recently (about 5-6 years later): https://livingafi.com/2021/03/17/the-2021-early-retirement-u...

The subtext of many of the responses to this post is a self-congratulatory "I knew all along that his plan was unrealistic". It seems like the thing people like about the follow-up post is that they think it confirms their worldview.

If we actually listen to the original author instead of looking for confirmation of our own worldviews, the author tells a different story. He says, (this is a copy-paste quote): "The initial plan itself was fine." His original plan wasn't unrealistic, at least not any more unrealistic than any more traditional life plans--it simply fell prey to life events which would cause almost any plan to fail. His partner left him for another man and he was diagnosed with a serious medical issue.

And critically, while the author's plan has changed, the goals still haven't. Not working is still the goal.

I've seen the plan that's common on Hacker News fail too. Lots of startups fail, and even if your startup succeeds that doesn't mean you're satisfied. The best case scenario has nothing to do with economics: it's coming to peace with yourself, finding meaningful relationships, and feeling a sense of purpose and belonging. I won't write off the possibility of finding those things in a startup or a career, but in my life I've seen it far less than the self-congratulatory posts here would lead you to believe.

Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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post #67

I was 2nd employee at a unicorn startup and have been on a work-hiatus for almost a year. Now, I live amongst Amish people in the country. My biggest insight has been a mindset change. Previously my underlying approach to life looked like: "I will do X which will enable me to do Y so that I can finally do Z." I now approach my days with "What will make me happy?" This is an experiment I'm performing. A structured lif…

What are you doing on HN?

Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Work, spouse, kids, the traditional way of life have been explored and chosen by human being for at least thousands of years. Vast majority of people did not “choose” all that throughout human history. There was zero alternative. They had to work to survive. If you want to make your argument you should only look at those who were born rich enough to not have to work.

Of course people can choose not having spouse or kids. What do you mean there is zero alternative? There are people born rich enough to not have to work, but do they live a happy life by not working all the way?

Choice comes in various flavors. A single woman was very vulnerable some decades ago. While single men had it better there were and are still many stereotypes that affect your life. Just read the parts about feeling disconnected to many old friends. Imagine that a thousand times when you look at the past.

Re: Building a vision of life without work (2015)

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This person also posted an amazing, unvarnished update recently (about 5-6 years later): https://livingafi.com/2021/03/17/the-2021-early-retirement-u...

I'd like an update on his back issues. Back issues are often the result of people not dealing with stress in their life. Speaking from personal experience and a huge army of others who have had a similar experience (John Sarno crew).

While you may be correct in the general case, there's a much more obvious cause than stress in his case: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome.
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