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Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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I would imagine a good use of a windmill could be use to pump and accumulate.

For moving a single human being 20km, you could easily use a solar panel and an electric bike.

I was trying to stay within the non-electric aspect of this. Solar isn’t exactly something you can make yourself. Methane however is vaguely doable given a bit of effort and skilling up.

Edit: when I write "make" I don't mean "install".

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For moving a single human being 20km, you could easily use a solar panel and an electric bike.

I was trying to stay within the non-electric aspect of this. Solar isn’t exactly something you can make yourself. Methane however is vaguely doable given a bit of effort and skilling up. Edit: when I write "make" I don't mean "install".

You can very easily do a solar installation yourself. But even more interestingly, even biomass-derived methane is more efficiently burned in a CCGT plant (>60% efficiency) to generate electricity for charging an e-bike than in an ICE engine on a moped (~20-25%?). And even better, a smart charger can charge an electric vehicle from an electric mix (NG/wind/solar/nuclear) optimally, so you can run from whatever is best at that moment.

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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> Eight hours of hoeing in a ditch supplies him with enough fuel to ride his vehicle for 20 km Hmm, this is an art project but you can cycle 20km fairly leisurely in an hour. 8 hours of toiling in the ditches probably might be better used growing vegetables so your food isn’t being driven in?

I know HN comments have a knack for trying to min/max and optimize something posted, but honestly that's not the point here. He's proving that it's possible to harvest methane from ponds, enough to power a moped. OF COURSE there's more efficient ways to get around, this isn't an attack on anyone's intellect or common sense and there's no need to react to getting nerdsniped by going "well ackchyually" and reinventing…

I agree with you, but I think part of the reason people have the reaction they do is that they start with the headline, which teases people into thinking this is something that is actually semi-viable, and then when they go in to read the article they find it is basically an art project, so there is this dissonance between expectations and reality.

I almost feel like we need a "Show HN an Art Project:"-like headline prefix.

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

#85
IIRC the average male farts 20 times a day. If he installed a voluntary workplace "collector", he would improve the office environment considerably (as well as improving climate change) and harvest methane for free.

For that special motorcyclist: how about a direct butt plug-in? A former co-worker especially fond of flatulent foods could likely get 10 km from a bean burrito.

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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it probably speeds things up rather than killing them, and you know on the scale of BP pouring millions of oil into the ocean, I reckon what this guy is doing is absoloutley fine and the environmental damage is well within range of what the local environment can cope with and recover from within a reasonably small time frame.

>and you know on the scale of BP pouring millions of oil into the ocean, I reckon what this guy is doing is absoloutley fine and the environmental damage is well within range of what the local environment can cope with and recover from within a reasonably small time frame. But BP serves millions of customers. If you normalize by that (ie. pollution divided by customers), my guess is that digging up ponds is more envi…

if you destroy the support systems that all organic life depends on, then you aren't serving the customers all that well...

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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IIRC the average male farts 20 times a day. If he installed a voluntary workplace "collector", he would improve the office environment considerably (as well as improving climate change) and harvest methane for free. For that special motorcyclist: how about a direct butt plug-in? A former co-worker especially fond of flatulent foods could likely get 10 km from a bean burrito.

I wonder if "TailPipe" is trademarked.

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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> Eight hours of hoeing in a ditch supplies him with enough fuel to ride his vehicle for 20 km Hmm, this is an art project but you can cycle 20km fairly leisurely in an hour. 8 hours of toiling in the ditches probably might be better used growing vegetables so your food isn’t being driven in?

One could easily walk 20km in 8 hours.

more like 3-4 hours at max, this seems terribly inefficient

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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> Eight hours of hoeing in a ditch supplies him with enough fuel to ride his vehicle for 20 km Hmm, this is an art project but you can cycle 20km fairly leisurely in an hour. 8 hours of toiling in the ditches probably might be better used growing vegetables so your food isn’t being driven in?

One could easily walk 20km in 8 hours.

5km per hour is easily doable, I believe. A group of us in high school once did that and covered about 105kms in 3 days. We walked just about 7 hours every day for those 3 days.

Re: Inventor harvests methane gas from ditches and ponds to power his moped

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was trying to stay within the non-electric aspect of this. Solar isn’t exactly something you can make yourself. Methane however is vaguely doable given a bit of effort and skilling up. Edit: when I write "make" I don't mean "install".

You can very easily do a solar installation yourself. But even more interestingly, even biomass-derived methane is more efficiently burned in a CCGT plant (>60% efficiency) to generate electricity for charging an e-bike than in an ICE engine on a moped (~20-25%?). And even better, a smart charger can charge an electric vehicle from an electric mix (NG/wind/solar/nuclear) optimally, so you can run from whatever is bes…

From a global warming perspective, harvesting free methane and burning it is probably a net benefit given how much stronger methane is of a warming agent than the CO2 it burns into.
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