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An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Sorry but you are the namecaller here, and wrong to begin with. I couldnt agree more regarding the download button in reddit itself. Its the spamy services I have a problem with.

That's not the services' fault, and there is now a void of a service that people found useful.

The _spam_ part is their fault. There is a million ways to offer this service that do not involve spamming every other user of the platform, but of course, by the power of advertising, the "spamming" ways are the most popular.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

#82
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When a company grows large enough, the APIs and user-generated tools that propelled its growth get treated like a threat. They tend to vertically integrate and keep anyone from using their data.

Exactly, Twitter went through the same process, locking down its API, introducing usage quotas and getting increasingly more hostile towards Twitter clients that circumvented the ad-serving side of it.

I remember it was a shitshow at the time, probably around 2012, I worked for a company that was leveraging Twitter's API for a product and we got quite nervous about the hostility.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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When a company grows large enough, the APIs and user-generated tools that propelled its growth get treated like a threat. They tend to vertically integrate and keep anyone from using their data.

Not entirely dissimilar to what is happening to the Chinese market right now. Interesting observation.

I don't live in China. Can you give an example and educate me/us a little?

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have literally _a toolbar button_ in my Android web browser that downloads the video of any page that I'm viewing right now. How can there be anything more convenient than that? But your comparison is extremely flawed anyway. E.g. "Fumble on your mobile keyboard to type the address of your preferred save video service." Even if you claim not to know how to use bookmarks, you still have history. Basically, the "unco…

> I have literally _a toolbar button_ in my Android web browser that downloads the video of any page that I'm viewing right now Well, that's you. It might surprise you to know, not everyone is you. > Basically, the "unconvenient" method you are describing is literally fewer taps away than the "convenient" method of messaging SaveVideo, which has no autocomplete at all, and _requires me to login to Reddit_ Of course I…

> Well, that's you.

I really don't understand this argument. Isn't this basically a variation of https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_QAQumXIAAZ-re?format=jpg ?

> Where's the "extreme flaw" in my reasoning, please?

"Extreme flaw" is your words, not mine.

In any case, we are already down to the same number of taps for both methods, and this while still assuming:

* That I'm either already logged in or that I can login in "2 taps" (very dubious, specially for old.reddit.com)

* That I can search whether there is an existing link with no effort or taps (easier with old.reddit.com, at the cost of swiping, unlikely with the new one), or that I don't otherwise care about telling everyone that I have downloaded the video.

* That autocomplete is going to work with strings such as "u/SaveVideo" or the like (it does not: most symbols and punctuation are enough to throw Android autocomplete away, the only symbols that usually work are @ and dots).

* That the bot is going to reply immediately and not make me wait an indefinite amount of time, and that I will not need to manually tap refresh N times to see when it is finished (which is the case in old.reddit.com).

And so on and so forth.

> Another aspect of these bots is that one person invokes it, the rest of the community can benefit from it.

So I would also link to the download video URL in my video downloader spam. Does that really change the argument? Would that make it "useful" instead of "shameless self promotion"?

Of course not. The difference here is that these "bots" have engineered their advertising so that they force their users to initiate it.

This is Pinterest all over again. "Pinterest" is also useful amongst their users, how do you think they made all their "collections" so large? It's just that their spammy advertising practices make it annoying for their non-users.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

#86
Pretty simple explanation, they let the clearly copyright infringing content in to their walled-garden under safe harbour protections, but allowing download is contributory infringement with distribution and there's no hiding from that as they can clearly easily prevent it (as they have).

Super hypocritical? Sure. Understandable? Also a yes.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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post #3

When a company grows large enough, the APIs and user-generated tools that propelled its growth get treated like a threat. They tend to vertically integrate and keep anyone from using their data.

Reddit Inc. has to give those investors their money back in someway.

The users, community and tools always get screwed in the process and they have never mattered to them as soon as the investors come in. Has happened on every social media company.

Very unsurprising of this to happen. It won't be the last.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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post #4

It's quite funny for a content aggregation site to get all high and mighty about tools that make it easier to share and aggregate content.

Since the redesign Reddit has been putting a huge amount of effort into keeping people on their platform. They've went out of their way to make it impossible to send a link directly to a video without external tools like the savevideo bot, any link to click will load the entire thread and they even go out of their way to seperate audio and video requests and merge them client-side so you can't just open dev tools to…

> Reddit has been putting a huge amount of effort into keeping people on their platform.

Sounds like they are optimizing for a metric, rather than for a goal.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

#89
post #41

This reminds me to nuke my Reddit account of 14 years. This extension edits each comment/post to be blank, and then deletes them. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nuke-reddit-histor...

Then you’ll have to request multiple people who run services that backs up every reddit post. But that’s still way better than HN. At least on reddit you can easily delete posts and accounts.

> Then you’ll have to request multiple people who run services that backs up every reddit post.

It's less about scrubbing it from the internet, but scrubbing it from Reddit (or twitter, fb, etc) themselves. Even if some obscure content farm is hosting the comment, it's still a small fraction of visitors.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

#90
Once upon a time Reddit was a link aggregator. You would post a link and the author would get credit. You could save the link without Reddit.

But Reddit is moving towards first party content. Not only has the site added native photo and video upload support but many communities disallow external content. Requiring a reupload or a screenshot. This not only removes the link to the actual creator but is also a nightmare for usability, especially for disabled people where a photo may be less accessible than raw text with their browser styling.

Unfortunately this is just what the web has come to. Not only just the web. I get people sending me things that I might like as a screenshot. Great, nice jacket, if only I could click that "buy" button.

I wonder why sharing of links is so unpopular, especially outside of the tech-sphere. Is it that "link previews" are generally worse than a screenshot of the page? Or is it just that people don't know where to find the links? This is especially bad on apps where you need to know how to find the share option separately on each app. Of course the screenshot shortcut is always consistent.

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