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South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by samatman »

iaHN wrote: post #77
colordrops wrote: post #38

I'm glad we are finally at a point where that skepticism around strict covid policies, such as in this thread, can be expressed without being immediately attacked. Questioning anything 6 months ago would have gotten you shut down or banned, depending on the forum.

I don't know about that. I received some negative comments recently for asking for evidence that wearing a mask, while outdoors, while socially distanced was ever effective. People still have their egos and identities attached to this, seeing disagreement as a personal or political attack.

Well, it wasn't.

It's going to take awhile for people to go through all the stages of grief about how ineffective and intrusive many of the state interventions during this pandemic really were.

Judging by the number of young, healthy, vaccinated people I still see outdoors in masks, it's still denial for a lot of them.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by samatman »

pie420 wrote: post #52
hntrowaway837 wrote: post #18

South Korea has had 2044 deaths, out of 51.7 million people. That's a death rate surely under the usual "flu and pneumonia" rate. I don't understand, I really don't. I anybody can explain, I'd very much appreciate.

What's not to understand? The numbers in Korea are low because everyone is willing to sacrifice their personal freedom and convenience for the common good. They vigilantly wear masks, socially distance, follow guidelines, and abstain from K-Pop dancing at gyms and running fast on the treadmill when their health departments ask that of them. Americans will happily let more people die if it means they get to go to the…

I disagree, I think it was 95% being a de-facto island and shutting down international travel without aggressive quarantine upon arrival.

Why, you ask? Well I was living in Hawaii during the pandemic, we're Americans, and we had very similar results through the end of June 2020, nearly extirpated the virus in fact.

Unfortunately the US Military couldn't be compelled to follow restrictions, and a huge outbreak in Pearl Harbor escaped containment and ruined all that hard work.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by hntrowaway837 »

kube-system wrote: post #74
hntrowaway837 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The infection rate is also commensurate with general immune system fitness. Remember in bad covid what we observe is vascular system failure, and we know that chronic hyperglycemia damages blood vessels. Combine that with non functional immune systems and this is what you get.

Switzerland has a higher life expectancy than South Korea, and has a very wealthy and healthy population. Spain and Italy have both held the titles of "healthiest country in the world" in recent years. All three have incidence rates more than an order of magnitude larger than South Korea. Wearing respiratory protection equipment protects against respiratory contaminants. Testing people and tracing contacts helps to c…

My country wore masks too, did everybody in SK wore N95s or more?

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by hntrowaway837 »

kube-system wrote: post #76
hntrowaway837 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what exactly did they do SO much better? My country wore masks, no social gatherings, distancing. What more?

I'm not sure how I am expected to answer that question without knowing which country you are asking me to compare.

If you need to know, France. I live in Paris, people here are very docile and obey the rules.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by Simulacra »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #27
015a wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what we call "compromise"; when you've got a reasonable position on one side, a reasonable position on the other, and the solution is to meet in the middle and produce policy which is totally unreasonable and makes no one happy.

This reminds me of how grocery stores were allowed to remain open, but the greeting card aisle was taped off because they didn't want people going to birthday parties. It felt like insanity, what if I wanted to send a card in-lieu of going to a gathering? Didn't matter. They weren't going to sell me one.

I was troubled that Walmart and Target remained open, but the local hardware store had to close. Too big to close, perhaps?

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by lifthrasiir »

sugardough wrote: post #72
lifthrasiir wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paradoxical but not really surprising, because the countries in desperate need of vaccination are those hit hard by COVID-19 anyway. SK vaccination rate has been comparably slower than some other countries but still in accordance with the goverment's original plan: it went from 7% to ~30% over the course of a single month of June for example.

They used up all the stock for the second shot for initial dose to inflate the numbers and hit the goal. We're short on vaccines, which is why the number of people fully vaccinated has stagnated for weeks since June.

> They used up all the stock for the second shot for initial dose to inflate the numbers and hit the goal.

They are not inflating the numbers, just fulfilling their own promises. The government was pretty much clear in its original plan that it will be initial doses. Initial doses alone do have a positive effect on the reproduction number so this is to be expected.

> We're short on vaccines, which is why the number of people fully vaccinated has stagnated for weeks since June.

If you've got paid and paid your rent in the same week you are not short on money (at least in the common sense), just that your expense is not uniform across weeks. The governmental vaccination plan has been very much non-uniform, partly exaggerated by the fact that SK has a very strong vaccine supply chain and everyone seemingly wants to be vaccinated given a chance.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by hnbad »

phillc73 wrote: post #42
BitwiseFool wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a photo of my own experience, but here's a news article with one: https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/06/in-summit-county-essential-bu...

My crazy experience in Austria was that one was unable to buy plastic forks. Packets of plastic knives were still on shelves, but the forks had been removed. I thought it was random luck, but three large supermarkets were the same. I guess they really didn’t want people eating at those forbidden gatherings.

Seems more likely that they were just in short supply. Plastic forks always sell better than other plastic cutlery. I don't think there's much panic buying of plastic forks but it's the kind of item they probably weren't in a hurry to restock when there's a massive run on toilet paper and pasta.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by kube-system »

hntrowaway837 wrote: post #83
kube-system wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland has a higher life expectancy than South Korea, and has a very wealthy and healthy population. Spain and Italy have both held the titles of "healthiest country in the world" in recent years. All three have incidence rates more than an order of magnitude larger than South Korea. Wearing respiratory protection equipment protects against respiratory contaminants. Testing people and tracing contacts helps to c…

My country wore masks too, did everybody in SK wore N95s or more?

KF94s are extremely popular in SK, and it was not unusual to see people wearing masks even before the COVID outbreak.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by clairity »

throwawaysea wrote: post #46

If this isn’t illustrative of the tradeoff between freedom/individual liberties and overbearing government imposed restrictions, I don’t know what is. This particular type of restriction ends up being acceptable to some because they aren’t the ones losing out on a freedom they exercise, while others feel like they’re losing more relative to others - it’s a classic tyranny of the majority. We have a solution for all o…

> "...educate people but let people do what they want. Those who think the risks are too great should constrain their own lives, instead of demanding that everyone else change all of society to create an acceptable risk profile for those who are risk-averse."

yes please.

meanwhile in LA, at least half the people are still wearing masks outside. whatever floats your boat, but i can't help but shake my head each time. if folks really wanted the mask for more than performative reasons, they'd wear it at home and at friends homes. how many maskers actually did that? probably less than 1%, even though that's where it would have the most effect. waiting for that study, though i don't have high hopes since it'd counter the prevailing mediopolitical narrative.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by oehtXRwMkIs »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #21
bluescrn wrote: post #11

"No, the BPM is actually really low, it was written using demi-semi-hemi-demi-semiquavers"

I was thinking this also. Is it half notes at 200 bpm, or quarter notes at 100?

Since most mainstream songs these days have a distinct beat, does that even matter? You just count how many beats you hear in a minute.
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