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Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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Re: Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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In Seattle, we built the light rail down the middle of a main roadway. The train has to stop for red lights to let cars through. It's so backwards, it's ridiculous. Always fun when the train driver notices it late and slams on the brakes.

Minneapolis built their light rail right down the middle of a main roadway, and the train does have to stop for red lights, but there is no train conductor because the train is wired into the stoplight system and slows down/stops/accelerates appropriately. The lights have also been re-timed to allow for the train. Works pretty well in my experience.

They've obviously learned from that experience. The new southwest light rail being built has a ridiculous number of bridges - it's going to rival Chicago's "L" when it opens in two years, at least as it goes through the suburbs.

Re: Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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I was more thinking about smaller GA planes, but it’s probably a similar situation. They’re designed to slam into the ground with a plane on top of them over and over again, so they’re probably more than strong enough.

Car tyres don’t have any issue (there’s plenty of car/rail crossings) so I can’t see why a plane’s would.

There’s a significant difference in the amount of force on a car tire vs the amount of force on a plane tire while it’s landing. But it’s undoubtedly designed for.

Re: Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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It severely limits traffic, both air and land. There will be a tunnel for cars opening later this year. It is another kind of road rage sitting 45 minutes in a car in a queue when some dick decides to land with his private jet.

This doesn't seem like that much of a burden to endure. There are many many places in the USA where vehicular traffic must defer to rail traffic at level crossings. Which can easily occur more often than 30x per week (30 number is from the article). At some crossings it's not unusual to have a slow moving freight train take 15 minutes or more. How long is the road crossed for each plane? I'd expect 5 or 10 minutes ma…

A couple of weeks ago I had to stop at a train crossing, arrived just a few seconds late to beat the train. It was a very long train. Then I noticed it was slowing down. As it got within one car of passing the intersection it stopped completely. A guy jumped off and did some stuff, then jumped back on. And the train started moving again - in reverse! I wasn't timing how long I was stopped, but it seemed like forever.

Re: Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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Video demonstration of merging into traffic after a gas station pit stop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgQIcK881es

That's a very specific "class" of aircraft. STOL. Short take off and landing. It's popular in the back country though.

Aren't all aircraft a specific class of aircraft?

Re: Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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Spain ceded Gibraltar in the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713. It wasn't stolen. Besides which, Spain isn't exactly innocent when it comes to "stealing a portion of a country and claiming it as theirs".

Fair enough, I was wrong so deserve the downvotes. Very few European countries are innocent when it comes to taking land that wasn’t theirs.

> Very few European countries are innocent when it comes to taking land that wasn’t theirs.

Very few any countries are.

That wasn't the important part of the response to your post though, the important part is that it wasn't stolen or conquered.

Re: Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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Sometime around 1980 I flew to Portland in a Cessna 172 to visit my family. I landed at Troutdale because who wants to deal with the traffic at PDX? I'd called my mom from my refueling stop to give her an ETA and where to meet me. She parked her car on the wrong side of the runway, but why would that stop anyone? As I taxied to the tiedown, I heard on the radio "Cessna 543 Whiskey Zulu, go around, woman crossing the…

Every year friends launch their float planes from the International Airport in Whitehorse, Yukon.

All the float planes are out of the water for winter freeze up, put on trailers. So in spring when the ice is gone you get a friend to drive down the runway full speed towing the trailer and plane, then take off directly from the trailer - there are no wheels on the floats and taking them on/off is a pain and not worth it.

My friend said it's always a little scary trying to remember how to fly for the first time in 9 months while being pulled behind a pickup truck at full throttle and around 180km/h. Because it's not tied down, he said if you're not on it, the plane just falls off the back of the trailer onto the runway - not good.

There's essentially a couple of days in spring when all the float planes around town do it, and a lot of fun to watch on a runway that has daily international flights around the world.

Re: Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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For decades Taiwan has designed sections of its highways to be converted to military runways in the event of an attack by China. Here's a review with photos of a training exercise a few years ago:

The [Taiwan] Air Force sent four types of aircraft to participate in the exercise: a F-16V Fighting Falcon, a Mirage 2000-5 multi-role fighter jet, and Taiwan’s own Indigenous Defense Fighter. The jets took off and landed with weapons onboard—the F-16 carried two Harpoon anti-ship missiles, two AMRAAM medium-range air-to-air missiles, and two AIM-9 Sidewinder short-range air-to-air missiles. The same jet or another jet later landed on the improvised airstrip, minus the two Harpoon missiles.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a27633093...

Surely other countries have similar provisions in place, considering some of the first military facilities to be taken out in the event of a surprise attack are military runways.

Re: Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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For decades Taiwan has designed sections of its highways to be converted to military runways in the event of an attack by China. Here's a review with photos of a training exercise a few years ago: The [Taiwan] Air Force sent four types of aircraft to participate in the exercise: a F-16V Fighting Falcon, a Mirage 2000-5 multi-role fighter jet, and Taiwan’s own Indigenous Defense Fighter. The jets took off and landed w…

I was about to mention what I heard many years ago about 1 mile in every 5 of US highways having to be straight, so that in emergencies it could be used as a runway, but I decided to google it first for a reference and it turns out it's an urban legend: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/publicroads/00mayjun/o...

also some additional details here: https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/civil/were-u-s...

Re: Gibraltar, world’s only airport runway intersecting a road

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For decades Taiwan has designed sections of its highways to be converted to military runways in the event of an attack by China. Here's a review with photos of a training exercise a few years ago: The [Taiwan] Air Force sent four types of aircraft to participate in the exercise: a F-16V Fighting Falcon, a Mirage 2000-5 multi-role fighter jet, and Taiwan’s own Indigenous Defense Fighter. The jets took off and landed w…

Grippens are designed to land on highways in Sweden.
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