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I don't quite understand the factors involved in making salaries in SV so high compared to other locations, and I'm not having much success just googling. Could someone please briefly explain them to me or point me towards some useful resources so I can alleviate some of my ignorance in this area? Edit: I'm aware of the higher cost of living, but I'm thinking that's probably not the only significant factor.
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The buckets might have a Valley bias. It seems the only programmers at SV companies that make less than 100k these days are interns.
Actually, this is a serious consideration. Location greatly affects pay, as cost of living changes. For example, it's substantially more expensive to live in Silicon Valley than it is to live in Cocoa Beach, FL or Seattle, WA
If you look at how salaries are distributed across the US public, the 60k - 100k category is way too large while 151k-200k should probably be just one range and not two. As someone who hires programmers, I am much more interested in how many people make between 60-70, 70-85, and 85-100.
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I'm not sure that is accurate. To my surprise...my NYC salary of $176,000 adjusted to San Francisco should be $217,151 Is SF really more expensive then NYC?
I'm not sure - never lived in either place. I'm not particularly tied to that calculator, it just came up first in a Google search. I do, however, think it's important to remove the location parameter from the salary function as best as we can. Otherwise the distribution of results is meaningless.
Then you will have a smaller number of people living out in the country, entering in their low salaries. Now there aren't too many of them so the affect they have on the statistics is proportional to their number.
Basically, you will end up with a number like 70k as an average salary. And that means something. It means the average developer, wherever he may live, earns about 70k. Sure people in expensive places earn more than that on average, people in cheaper places earn less. But that is obvious, each person in each place entered their salary and they all counted towards the average.
Now if everyone decided to try and correct away location, whatever that means, and scaled their salaries up to some arbitrarily expensive city, you might end up with a value like 120k, when in fact a vast majority of people are earning less than that. How is that representative? How is that useful or meaningful? Even people living in expensive cities are going to look at that value, and think they are earning below average when they aren't.
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Haha: "Housing is 581% more expensive in San Francisco." And I live in the Northeast! I mean, I guess they would need to pay me a lot more, because I literally could not spend 6x my current rent, because that would be all of my income.
Too many people confuse SF with the Bay Area. SF is just one city in a much larger populated region. You don't need to live in SF proper even to work there. And housing is cheaper outside of the City than in it (generally).
Though I'm not really a programmer but a researcher, I voted anyway since, in practice, most of my work is programming. It probably just makes me an underpaid programmer... ;-)
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Nope, I not confused. Im CLT employed and you're right about FGTS.. But I don't have any benefits where I work, and the local employers don't get much better than this. A 'nice' salary in my town would get me somewhere around 21k dollars yearly.
You should consider contracting remotely for US companies (if possible)
This has got me thinking. I would literally pay someone to figuratively sit down with me, go through what I've done/can do etc and then based off their experiences tell me what I could be getting. Of course, it won't be too accurate and location makes a big difference but perhaps an enlightened recruiter type with a bit of experience in a couple of parts of the world could give a ballpark figure, say X in SV, Y in NY…
Just apply for jobs, and negotiate, and you will get a feel for what you are worth.
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If you consider taxes, less than 1k reais/month. I live south, Londrina - Paraná.
Good lord, man. You need to move to Rio or São Paulo or something... if you're even a half-decent programmer you make R$3K/mo without looking too hard, and make $5-8K if you're quite good. Even working from home, you should be able to find something more than R$1K/month, subcontracting work for other companies. Boa sorte, amigo!