Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Microsoft announces Windows 11

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–90 of 706 posts

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#81

Post by sonofhans »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #16

> " Microsoft is also integrating Microsoft Teams directly into Windows 11, for both consumers and commercial users. " Not that I have any objections to Teams per se but attempting to drive adoption by bundling got Microsoft in trouble in the IE era; didn't they learn their lesson? Either way, probably the first thing I'll be doing after a fresh install of Windows 11 is uninstalling Teams.

I think they learned their lesson very well. Microsoft suffered little for bundling Internet Explorer into Windows. The court case cost them some time and money, and in return they made no substantive business changes, and shut out browser competition for years. They had a plan and it worked. Why shouldn’t they do it again?

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#82

Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #16

> " Microsoft is also integrating Microsoft Teams directly into Windows 11, for both consumers and commercial users. " Not that I have any objections to Teams per se but attempting to drive adoption by bundling got Microsoft in trouble in the IE era; didn't they learn their lesson? Either way, probably the first thing I'll be doing after a fresh install of Windows 11 is uninstalling Teams.

Eh, I do have misgivings about Teams and such tight Teams integration since my company chose it as its default communication platform.

My biggest beef is how limited I am as user with configuration ( the notifications are too big for my taste -- and I can either choose that they show or don't) and that UI somehow feels worse than webex.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#83

Post by MarcScott »

jl6 wrote: post #66

So many questions… Will Win10 users be able to upgrade to Win11 for free or will they have to buy it? What’s the end-of-life date for Win10 now? Will the minimum hardware requirements be increased? Will this be used as an opportunity to make backwards-compatibility-breaking improvements? Are they actually going to fix the whole UI or just 80% of it and leave the remaining 20% as sedimentary layers of previous UIs? An…

Some answers here - https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22546801/microsoft-window...

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#84

Post by partiallypro »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #6

Getting rid of tiles and similar seems like a substantial improvement, and might address part of people's complaints about Windows 10. The most important question, though: is Windows still "evergreen" with free updates, or will people have to buy Windows 11? The latter would mean we can't count on Windows systems being up to date. I was happily looking forward to the day when software could just support Windows 10 an…

I believe they have said, or hinted, that it will be a free upgrade. Microsoft has an incentive itself to get as many people on one build itself to lower legacy costs.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#85

Post by tomtheelder »

_benj wrote: post #49

I honestly was expecting more "innovation", more daring decisions and deep convictions that "this new way", even though it might get some backlash, will prove to improve the wellbeing of it's users, even if they don't know it yet. I haven't seen anything like that since the days of Steven Jobs and it kind of saddens me. Have we reached a plateau in tech? Are we just up for making more of the same, just a little diffe…

Desktop OSes have been basically stagnant for almost 20 years. There's plenty of software innovation out there, but not in this space.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#86

Post by DoctorDabadedoo »

I wish MS stopped doing redesign of their interfaces every couple of years and just fixed the broken stuff the introduced somewhere along the way.

- Settings / control panel inconsistency and the other dozen places you can change configs for a single thing - Telemetry, ads and system crap - Package management and sandboxing

And the list goes on.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#87

Post by jimbob45 »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #16

> " Microsoft is also integrating Microsoft Teams directly into Windows 11, for both consumers and commercial users. " Not that I have any objections to Teams per se but attempting to drive adoption by bundling got Microsoft in trouble in the IE era; didn't they learn their lesson? Either way, probably the first thing I'll be doing after a fresh install of Windows 11 is uninstalling Teams.

Does that mean it's finally becoming a native app? By far the worst part of MS Teams is that it's slow and can't really help when it can't connect to its servers because it's just a web page.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#89

Post by nsriv »

jccalhoun wrote: post #59
nsriv wrote: post #38

Not a fan of the Android apps installable and discoverable onto Windows...but through the Amazon appstore. Weird, and I'd much more prefer installing to PC from Google Play itself.

Probably not google because google wouldn't play ball. I wonder if users will be able to (easily) sideload android apps since not everything is in Amazon's app store and apps there are often not updated as often as the google play store version.

Right, that was my assumption too. Sideloading would be my way around, but I'm guessing there may be some runtime signing or containerizing involved as well, else every Android vulnerability just became a Windows vulnerability.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#90

Post by yellowfish »

nsriv wrote: post #38

Not a fan of the Android apps installable and discoverable onto Windows...but through the Amazon appstore. Weird, and I'd much more prefer installing to PC from Google Play itself.

I think amazon's appstore is free of google play services which could be a big reason
Post reply on HN