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Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by Jaygles »

_xy8h wrote: post #63
rodiger wrote: post #5

Can someone provide some background? What started this?

TLDR Bullet Point version. * Founder lilo/Rob died. * Christel became new head of staff. * Christel "sold" Freenode to Andrew Lee (of which was not hers to sell) and never told the rest of Freenode staff the terms. * Lee decided to assert himself by claiming he owned all of Freenode and that the staff had to hand over the keys to the kingdom to him. * Staff resisted, Lee used threats. Staff decided it was better to m…

> Christel "sold" Freenode to Andrew Lee (of which was not hers to sell) and never told the rest of Freenode staff the terms.

If this is the case, is anyone pursuing a way to invalidate the sale?

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by junon »

metalliqaz wrote: post #69
andai wrote: post #10

Seriously, what's the matter with this guy? I thought he was just really naive but I can't see an explanation for doing something like this that isn't malicious.

he spends his time drinking and doing drugs, indulging in prostitutes, and splashing money around

For those downvoting, this is accurate according to his current lawsuit(s) against him. Certainly not exaggerated.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by junon »

inshadows wrote: post #8

The thing is, most people will just stay, and the freak behind Freenode will have numbers to back up his claims, that his "community" is strong. Who knows how many of those users just keep running irssi in screen or have it configured on bouncer, checking it once a year when they need to ask question. Maybe over long time, the numbers will shift. But most people just don't care about the platform they chat through.

> The thing is, most people will just stay

In this case, no.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by nikanj »

shadowgovt wrote: post #79
unixhero wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a flourishing community of the interwebs maybe, just maybe. IRC as a tool is certainly not dead. Former IRCOP.

How does IRC work on mobile these days? Last time I used IRC seriously, I had to get off the train because I was chatting more on mobile than not and the mobile clients were basically un-serviceable (IIRC, protocol is too chatty and stateful for reliable connection on a device continuously changing its physical network connection).

Mosh+screen+irssi is way more usable in terrible network conditions than any of the more contemporary options

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by Grimm1 »

haunter wrote: post #45
tyingq wrote: post #29

Freenode: Current global users 49980 Libera: Current global users 32769 Freenode's decline in users over the past month: http://www.hinner.com/ircstat/Socip_F_2.gif Comparison showing Freenode decline and Libera rise: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php Probably won't be long before Freenode is effectively dead. Edit: Also see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27502059 for a projection and more stats.

That low? IRC is truly dead But then again everyone is on Discord now so no surprise

Low probably means higher quality engagement to be honest. Not that I use it but the trend I see is smaller things like this have higher quality conversation and interaction with some direct access to people you wouldn’t normally be able to talk to otherwise. Seems like a feature to me if you do it right and aren’t chasing the VC fly wheel.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by scrps »

batch12 wrote: post #36

What's everyone's favorite linux-based client nowadays? I've been out of it a long time, but recent events have got me interested in seeing what's happening at libre chat.

Weechat, takes a bit to set it up properly but it is extremely flexible. It can also act as a relay for another weechat client or weechat-remote.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by birdman3131 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #79
unixhero wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a flourishing community of the interwebs maybe, just maybe. IRC as a tool is certainly not dead. Former IRCOP.

How does IRC work on mobile these days? Last time I used IRC seriously, I had to get off the train because I was chatting more on mobile than not and the mobile clients were basically un-serviceable (IIRC, protocol is too chatty and stateful for reliable connection on a device continuously changing its physical network connection).

I always used a client called quassel that had an always on server you hosted somewhere. Then you had mobile and desktop apps that you used to connect to it. Because the server portion was always connected you did not miss stuff even when your client was disconnected.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by joepie91_ »

inshadows wrote: post #8

The thing is, most people will just stay, and the freak behind Freenode will have numbers to back up his claims, that his "community" is strong. Who knows how many of those users just keep running irssi in screen or have it configured on bouncer, checking it once a year when they need to ask question. Maybe over long time, the numbers will shift. But most people just don't care about the platform they chat through.

> But most people just don't care about the platform they chat through.

People love to throw this sentiment around literally every time any kind of platform does something shitty, and it's certainly very effective at demotivating people from even trying to do anything about it. It would be great if people stopped claiming this, because it's really not helping anybody and makes the job of resolving governance issues so much harder.

This specific case is actually a good example of how the sentiment is completely wrong, too; with the right strategy (which was what happened here) it's clearly possible to get people to move en masse. As evidenced by Freenode bleeding users to Libera at breakneck pace, and effectively all projects having moved over.

Bottom line: you might not want to put in the effort to solve governance issues like this, and that's fine. But please stop actively telling other people that they won't succeed.

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