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The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by bluescrn »

samatman wrote: post #68
rossdavidh wrote: post #50

My 15-year old daughter just recently got her first desktop. Why? Well, because instead of just consuming (which she does on her phone) or doing homework (chromebook), she wanted to do video editing, and also drawing using a Wacom tablet. She found that the non-desktop options were just not that great. Had it been a passing fancy, no doubt she would have done without the desktop, but it wasn't, so she got a tricked o…

A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

> A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing

Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way?

Can you export video to non-Apple formats, collaborate with other people via a version control system, easily import footage from non-Apple devices, and so on?

Can you even cleanly separate your video editing project from your personal holiday photos/videos? (Does iPadOS expose a directory structure to the end user yet?)

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by capeterson »

411111111111111 wrote: post #77
alliao wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a gamer and my rig is a mini itx tucked away. I like it quiet and performant. Yes the market slaps RGB lighting on anything and everything gamer but it's up to gamers to buy them.

I like having my case light up with the temperature of the components. I've never succeeded making it anything but a deep green and it gives me a nice and fuzzy feeling, knowing that everything is at an optimal temperature while the fans lazily spin behind the tempered glass.

Ha! That's such a fantastic idea. I always keep my lights either off, or on white because I kind of dislike RGB lighting. I might have to look into this, did you use any specific software for this?

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by zepto »

bluescrn wrote: post #81
samatman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

> A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way? Can you export video to non-Apple formats, collaborate with other people via a version control system, easily import footage from non-Apple devices, and so on? Can you even cleanly separate your video editing project from your personal holiday photos/videos? (Does iPad…

> Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way?

No.

> Can you export video to non-Apple formats, collaborate with other people via a version control system, easily import footage from non-Apple devices, and so on?

Yes.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by mywittyname »

ohazi wrote: post #52
asperous wrote: post #18

For the average person this might be kind true, however I can think of at least three places where desktop computers are very much cultural and symbolic: * “Gamers” or other enthusiasts with their battlestations [1] * Finace workstations with many monitors and Bloomberg terminals [2] * Potentially musician workstations as well [3] Any other niche ideas? [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/ [2] https://images.…

Engineers who do mechanical CAD work using a specialized input device like a SpaceMouse [1] or similar. [1] https://3dconnexion.com/uk/spacemouse/

SpaceMouse works just fine on laptops, it's just kind of pointless when your software is pushing 15fps because of the shitty graphics card. You can't get Quattro cards on laptops, as far as I know. So anyone using CAD software regularly is stuck using desktops.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by ecshafer »

samatman wrote: post #68
rossdavidh wrote: post #50

My 15-year old daughter just recently got her first desktop. Why? Well, because instead of just consuming (which she does on her phone) or doing homework (chromebook), she wanted to do video editing, and also drawing using a Wacom tablet. She found that the non-desktop options were just not that great. Had it been a passing fancy, no doubt she would have done without the desktop, but it wasn't, so she got a tricked o…

A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

This is honestly an absurd proposition. A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500. Video editing is something you want power, and a lot of screen real estate, and a good form factor. Even with the GPU shortage, you can buy an extremely powerful, capable, video editing desktop with two large 27" monitors for $1k. Even before you consider limitations in sandboxing, multi-application usage, and freedom, the Apple Tax for this makes a non-starter. If you go with the lowest end specs, that is still $800, which you can buy a significantly more capable desktop for video editing at that point, then you will be editing video on an 11" screen, with no hotkeys or keyboard, and only 128 GB of storage (good luck).

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by plazmatic »

ofrzeta wrote: post #39

There's nothing better than a huge display with high resolution, keyboard and mouse. The computer might be in a separate chassis or a laptop or whatever but a huge display and a mouse are indispensable.

Huge display? What are you, a noob?

29" or bust. Nothing bigger nothing smaller. It's absolute perfection.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by munk-a »

zozbot234 wrote: post #60
munk-a wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I personally love the aesthetic of big whirring fans and blinking lights. If you offered me an M1 MacBook Pro but it would be buried in a 7 foot tall cupboard plastered in lights and fans that occasionally, randomly, sounded like a jet engine taking off... I would be in heaven.

> buried in a 7 foot tall cupboard plastered in lights and fans that occasionally, randomly, sounded like a jet engine taking off... There might be a market for rackmountable hardware with the much-needed addition of proper RGB lighting (for improved performance).

Could you bundle in some decals - you know, to make it go faster?

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by ecshafer »

TchoBeer wrote: post #32
mkl95 wrote: post #27

My desktop computer -which doubles as my workstation- is going to be 10 years old soon. The replacements during these years make it a beast to this day, it beats a $5000 Macbook Pro into a pulp for a fraction of the price. I'm not considering ditching it for now.

is it as portable as a macbook pro?

For the same price point of a macbook pro you can literally get a more powerful desktop, and a more powerful laptop. Or an even more powerful desktop, and a laptop and just use a vpn with remote desktop like a normal person.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by 988747 »

system2 wrote: post #76
bitwize wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the M2 Mac Pro drops, the tables will turn: no PC will even nearly match it.

So an M2 can beat a AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3995WX or a dual CPU mobo tower with 128gb ram, also a PCI nvme? LOL right.

I do not see why not - performance of Apple processors is insane.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by handrous »

bluescrn wrote: post #81
samatman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

> A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way? Can you export video to non-Apple formats, collaborate with other people via a version control system, easily import footage from non-Apple devices, and so on? Can you even cleanly separate your video editing project from your personal holiday photos/videos? (Does iPad…

> Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way?

Why would it get in the way? Any video editing software on it's going to be designed with that in mind, and will share with other video-related software just fine. Lots of desktop video editing software (Premiere, to pick one) start with "OK, step 1, import all the clips/videos for this project into this program" so even in the worst case it's gonna look a lot like the same workflow as video-editors are used to, and those workflows exist and became the norm on desktop before iPads even existed.

> Can you export video to non-Apple formats

Of course. Why wouldn't you be able to?

> collaborate with other people via a version control system

Never seen it for video editing, including when I worked at a video production company, though that was years go so maybe version control's normal even for amateurs and small shops now? If it's around and popular I'd be surprised if there's not "an app for that" or it's not built-in to some of the higher end editing software on iPad. If things still operate like they used to then you're talking a NAS shared over SMB for largish projects, or Dropbox for smaller ones, for collaboration, probably, and both those are fine with iPads.

> easily import footage from non-Apple devices

Sure, why not?

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