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Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by notimrelakatos »

chewz wrote: post #20

OMG the world is shrinking for SV. As US gets deeper and deeper into its Cultural Revolution more and more countries with strong cultural identity do not follow and become more and more selective in adopting US model - China, Iran, Russia, India, Europe...

I'd rather see the culture that gave us the Ramayana, Mahabharata, Vedas, Upanishads, Algebra and many more outstanding creations have it's own way of doing capitalism, or whatever the heck they end up with, than having a another copy of the US, with more curry and funny accents.

This new Americanism seems like the cultural incarnation of entropy, whose sole purpose is desertify culture itself.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by random314 »

naruvimama wrote: post #69
random314 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post is an example of the wild fantasies indulged by the followers of hindutva where India is forever on the precipice of taking over the world intellectually and to an extent territorially. In this future liberalism will be consigned to the garbage can and ethno nationalism and fascism centered on Hinduism will reign supreme. The popularity of yoga is hilariously touted as a precursor of things to come. The pri…

This was in response to the OP about western values. Are you not sick and tired of a colonial propaganda of attributing everything to the west. I pity people who actually believe Renaissance or Industrial revolution was something that happened overnight. Even as the "liberal" elite and evangelists try to force their agenda on the rest of the world, their own homesteads are turning more dharmic.

This is an old trope that has been recycled forever. Huxley noted it in 1945

https://m.imgur.com/i1JVHn0

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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colorboy wrote: post #60
random314 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also led pogroms, segregated living areas by religion and promoted rioters and terrorists. Gujarats gdp per capita is only slightly above the median. And IT cell is a reality that has been exposed several times over. Identical copy paste tweets and interviews with ex-it cell employees.

Speaking of copy paste, what happened of the toolkit row? Whether the objective was good or bad, should the people actively trying to trend things be called "IT cell for XYZ"? It feels a bit hypocritical

They are actually paid to do it. They are employed by the IT cell of BJP. Other parties do the same, but cannot match the scale.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by random314 »

jaldhar wrote: post #77
random314 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also led pogroms, segregated living areas by religion and promoted rioters and terrorists. Gujarats gdp per capita is only slightly above the median. And IT cell is a reality that has been exposed several times over. Identical copy paste tweets and interviews with ex-it cell employees.

I gave you actual examples of improvements I’ve seen with my own two eyes. People can’t drink gdp. I don’t doubt there could be an IT cell. What I was reacting to was the idea that it is a major reason for Modi’s success. Like “Russian collusion” this is just cope by people who can’t accept that it is they who are the unpopular ones. People don’t understand that propaganda like hypnotism only works on people who are…

Well people can drink their own blood. I actually knew people who were massacred in gulbarga society. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbarg_Society_massacre Your screed reads like an apologia for Hitler.

I actually know Muslim friends in ahmedabad that cannot buy or rent a house in normal housing societies and have been ghettoized into Muslim enclaves with non existent municipal services.

I am glad that I live in the United states where nobody asks me for my religion or caste before renting or selling a home. United states is never going to be "dharmic", it got rid of its "dharmic" tendencies with the civil rights movement.

Edit: The dharmic comment was in response to another poster talking about United states becoming "dharmic".

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by naruvimama »

hnedeotes wrote: post #79
naruvimama wrote: post #67

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The class system or castas was very much part of Europe. The monopoly of the church on God and crown was precisely why it was imported into India by the British to consolidate their power. "Caste" is often used to white wash the Islamic and Christian colonization of India that lasted for a 1000 years, that reduced the richest nation to one of the poorest. This poverty creation machine that the British colonization is…

This seems to not have any resemblance to the historical decline of the "Vedic Culture" way before any "colonising" by the "west". If the guys writing the history didn't mess it up, wasn't buddha himself against the caste system? That seems way before there was even a Church in the West to begin with.

A lot of myths have been built around Buddha or Ashoka, in the recent years to fit politics.

Buddha considered himself very much a Hindu.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by random314 »

naruvimama wrote: post #69
random314 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post is an example of the wild fantasies indulged by the followers of hindutva where India is forever on the precipice of taking over the world intellectually and to an extent territorially. In this future liberalism will be consigned to the garbage can and ethno nationalism and fascism centered on Hinduism will reign supreme. The popularity of yoga is hilariously touted as a precursor of things to come. The pri…

This was in response to the OP about western values. Are you not sick and tired of a colonial propaganda of attributing everything to the west. I pity people who actually believe Renaissance or Industrial revolution was something that happened overnight. Even as the "liberal" elite and evangelists try to force their agenda on the rest of the world, their own homesteads are turning more dharmic.

Isn't being "dharmic" a reference to performing your caste duties irrespective of whether you will be rewarded in this life. The reward comes next time in the form of a caste upgrade.

They are verses that specify that one must perform ones caste duties ("dharma") no matter what even if you are better at other things. Why on earth would United states turn dharmic?

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by naruvimama »

orwin wrote: post #72
naruvimama wrote: post #28

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Did you see any atheist kill someone because he was religious? Or even attack some believer for the sake of attacking? This is way to much strawman for me . And I did believe what you said in another post on Modi as governor, now i guess I'll have to check myself.

Attack does not mean physically.

The only identity of a western atheist is that they are against believers.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by naruvimama »

random314 wrote: post #86
naruvimama wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was in response to the OP about western values. Are you not sick and tired of a colonial propaganda of attributing everything to the west. I pity people who actually believe Renaissance or Industrial revolution was something that happened overnight. Even as the "liberal" elite and evangelists try to force their agenda on the rest of the world, their own homesteads are turning more dharmic.

Isn't being "dharmic" a reference to performing your caste duties irrespective of whether you will be rewarded in this life. The reward comes next time in the form of a caste upgrade. They are verses that specify that one must perform ones caste duties ("dharma") no matter what even if you are better at other things. Why on earth would United states turn dharmic?

That seems to be colonial/Christian interpretation of dharma.

You should perhaps watch some videos of what actual Hindu gurus say.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by naruvimama »

random314 wrote: post #82
naruvimama wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was in response to the OP about western values. Are you not sick and tired of a colonial propaganda of attributing everything to the west. I pity people who actually believe Renaissance or Industrial revolution was something that happened overnight. Even as the "liberal" elite and evangelists try to force their agenda on the rest of the world, their own homesteads are turning more dharmic.

This is an old trope that has been recycled forever. Huxley noted it in 1945 https://m.imgur.com/i1JVHn0

Nothing springs up overnight, it requires transfer of knowledge and industry from a more sophisticated society.

And a breakthrough or political condition that favors a change.

You are seeing that today with China and the US.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by naruvimama »

random314 wrote: post #41
jaldhar wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we stop with all this IT cell bullshit? Modi got in because he was more competent than the rajputra of the Nehru dynasty. My family are from Gujarat. We’ve known about Modi since he was governor. We moved out of our ancestral village several generations ago but still return on special occasions because our kuladevi is there. The area is semi-desert. Modi got water from the Narmada dam piped in. Now cash crops can…

He also led pogroms, segregated living areas by religion and promoted rioters and terrorists. Gujarats gdp per capita is only slightly above the median. And IT cell is a reality that has been exposed several times over. Identical copy paste tweets and interviews with ex-it cell employees.

Tata Nano factory moving from WB to Gujarat, not exactly a paper tiger.
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