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U.S. to give ransomware hacks similar priority as terrorism, official says

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Re: U.S. to give ransomware hacks similar priority as terrorism, official says

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What’s next? Using anti-terror laws for copyright enforcement?

Ransomware is actually a legitimate threat to the well-being and health of all people. They lock down government and health records. It a huge risk to the American people

Sure. But laws for dealing with legitimate threats sometimes get co-opted to also deal with extraneous matters.

Re: U.S. to give ransomware hacks similar priority as terrorism, official says

#82
I remember reading many years ago that US gov said it reserves the right to physically go after cyber attackers, ie: kill the hackers behind the hack.

What's the current official policy, is this still on the table (probably only for massive attacks)?

Re: U.S. to give ransomware hacks similar priority as terrorism, official says

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Yeah, opening it up and seeing 30%+ gains in a day does give me a sort of high.

You won't be seeing 30%+ gains when they're throwing people in prison for it. Most drug users are never prosecuted. But the threat of prosecution does very little to affect the quality of their purchase, relative to what it would do to BTC market as a whole.

Do you know how absurd that would be? Crypto like Bitcoin are just a database in essence. Throwing someone in prison for running a database on their computer would probably spell the end of general purpose computers. You will not be allowed to run databases anymore unless they are approved.

Re: U.S. to give ransomware hacks similar priority as terrorism, official says

#86
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For me "Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentional violence to achieve political aims", there is no political aims here, their goal is to extort as much money as they can from their victims. This is a criminal activity and any small or big companies that pay for it are feeding the monster and should be persecuted. But the US has been ignoring it for years and now it comes right back to them.

The willful ignorance and non-action by states that provide a safe haven for launching these attacks seems to be potentially political to me. If the attackers are state backed, then its definitely political. If the attackers are not state backed, it seems plausible that the state has made a decision to allow the attacks to take place because sowing chaos and discord in the united states is an aim of their government.

It's the international "finger in front of the face, I'm not touching you" game. But by any reasonable interpretation, yeah, it looks the lack of prosecution of ransomware groups is lacking for one reason or another.

Re: U.S. to give ransomware hacks similar priority as terrorism, official says

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You won't be seeing 30%+ gains when they're throwing people in prison for it. Most drug users are never prosecuted. But the threat of prosecution does very little to affect the quality of their purchase, relative to what it would do to BTC market as a whole.

Do you know how absurd that would be? Crypto like Bitcoin are just a database in essence. Throwing someone in prison for running a database on their computer would probably spell the end of general purpose computers. You will not be allowed to run databases anymore unless they are approved.

> Do you know how absurd that would be? Bitcoin is just a database in essence

It’s really bot unusual for the law to treat things differently based on the purpose for which they are used when they are “just a database, in essence”.

Re: U.S. to give ransomware hacks similar priority as terrorism, official says

#88
US Constitution empowers Congress to issue "Letters of Marque and Reprisal" - to wit grant permission for private entities (people, companies) to wage war on other private entities. Enacted to help shipping companies deal with pirates, applies today for the likes of ransomware perpetrators.

Re: U.S. to give ransomware hacks similar priority as terrorism, official says

#89
post #45
post #25

What about the other side of this? Instead of seeking backdoors and using them to spy on Americans, the NSA should be stepping up their game and securing vital infrastructure and domestic businesses against these attacks.

I'd rather not see taxpayers have to foot the bill for the profit of megacorps neglecting proper cybersecurity while sitting on mountains of tax-evaded offshore cash, thank you. The industry should be magnitudes larger than it is currently, and we shouldn't encourage corporate recklessness by socializing the costs.

This is well within the scope of what the government should be doing--just as a country's navy protects merchant ships from pirates and the police protect shopkeepers from burglary. If a foreign military were launching physical attacks on your business we'd expect any government in the world to intervene.

Realistically even with government support, effective cybersecurity is going to require significant private effort and investment as well.

Re: U.S. to give ransomware hacks similar priority as terrorism, official says

#90

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Yeah, that's what happened with drugs. The price of drugs actually dropped to zero and it's now impossible to get LSD.

Difference is if corporations and funds can't hold bitcoin/crypto - you're back to $1/BTC. The whole value proposition of BTC hype bubble bursts if it's illegal in a major market like USA. Don't doubt some cyberpunk nuts will keep playing with it.

We have plenty of historical and current examples of governments imposing capital controls to restrict access to foreign currency. Very rarely does it result in the market price of the foreign currency going down. Usually quite the opposite.

Heck, even in American history we once tried to ban private ownership of gold bullion. The black market price of gold rose substantially.

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