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Re: Ask HN: Anybody Started a Research Institute?

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You should read up on the Max Planck institutes in Germany, and on the Flatiron Institute in New York. As others have said your problem will be attracting talent. You're best off organising free conferences, in collaboration with a MP, to start with.

Pardon my ignorance, but what does MP mean in this context?

Re: Ask HN: Anybody Started a Research Institute?

#83
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I am helping lead the first research group at a recently-founded institute in Germany. What is the mission of your institute? Is this a collection of individuals doing their own research, or a group of collaborators working towards a shared goal? How do your ideal members measure their own performance? Is it through papers, blog posts, tech demos, products, or something else? With academics you need to be especially…

> With academics you need to be especially vigilant about the difference between vanity metrics and real output. What would you consider " real output ", especially in contrast to " vanity metrics "? Asking mostly because I'm curious how someone in your position would see it. For a lot of folks, academia's a fun ecosystem to participate in: they enjoy it and it pays the bills. To participate, they need to maintain po…

This is an important question, and something we have considered when building our group.

My background is largely in experimental physical sciences, and one of the vanity metrics in my fields is publication in a Nature- or Science-family journal, or equivalent high-impact journal. In some cases publishing there has led to high-quality peer review and publication, but the pursuit of these papers drives many to over-sell or over-complicate the work. I tend to focus more on smaller studies which can be reasonably completely described, versus anthology publication.

But more directly, we measure output in three categories, in order of importance: people, validated concepts, and publication/dissemination.

For people, we want to develop a sense of integrity and curiosity, which means some mixture of freedom to roam and an ability to focus on defining and answering a concrete question. We want people to leave our group as good citizens and scientists.

Validated concepts take several forms. In the physical sciences it is often expensive to recreate an experiment, so performing and reporting the correct set of controls and validations is critical. A successful experiment is one which does not need to be repeated, because there is sufficient clarity and design to assure the next person that what was found is correct. Often this means obtaining a proper negative result which shuts down entire lines of inquiry. Especially since many projects require months or years of build-up, we must ensure that the foundation is solid.

As for publication and dissemination, our goal is that someone else would look at the work and consider building on top of it. In order for someone else to accept the work there needs to be a real trust or means for validation. We are open with our data, code, and methods, but much of the challenge lies in ensuring the dataset is valid and complete in the first place.

You are right to note that popularity drives academia, in the same way that charisma and a good pitch can get a startup off the ground. High citation counts, big-name grants, fancy titles, and time spent at big-name institutions are the standard metrics for success. I come from a somewhat outside perspective since I spent some time in start-up prior to this position, where our focus was more on actionable outcomes than positive results. But for the students and postdocs, these pressures for advancement are real and not easy to reckon with. I have no good answer, apart from attempting to impart personal ethics and aligning interests where possible.

The longevity and source of funding is a key factor in fighting the popularity contest. For our institute this is largely solved by solid political capital, which gives us some cover to pursue things without significant concern about short-term popularity. Long-term we want to be known for producing useful research, which others incorporate into their own work and become more productive.

In short, a given researcher is successful if they have identified a self-contained question and answered it sufficiently to be a building block for further work, either as a positive or negative result.

Re: Ask HN: Anybody Started a Research Institute?

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post #82
post #81

You should read up on the Max Planck institutes in Germany, and on the Flatiron Institute in New York. As others have said your problem will be attracting talent. You're best off organising free conferences, in collaboration with a MP, to start with.

Pardon my ignorance, but what does MP mean in this context?

Max Planck - sorry I didn't define that (https://www.mpg.de/institutes).

Re: Ask HN: Anybody Started a Research Institute?

#85
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recruiting a postdoc at a new institute without a track record of advancing people is a very tough sell. That would be an extremely risky career move. The best bet for a new research institute is to have a large endowment and recruit two or three large names in a field. People who already have a good reputation. The large endowment is necessary to prove that you will ongoing resources to keep the research funded into…

> Recruiting a postdoc at a new institute without a track record of advancing people is a very tough sell. That would be an extremely risky career move. Doing a postdoc is itself a large bet that usually fails to pay off, retrospectively making both the PhD and the postdoc look like extremely poor choices by any monetary calculus. The supply of people who want to stay in Science/Research/Academia is a lot greater tha…

Off topic, but I always do a bit of a double-take at how Americans use "Adjunct Professor." In Canada, that would be called "Contract Academic" or similar. I'll bet it is different again in Europe, so for clarity, that is basically a low paid teaching position.

In Canada, an Adjunct Professor is unpaid, but actually somewhat prestigious. It is a recognition of your abilities in a field and might be given to someone in industry who collaborates with a researcher at the university (for example).

Re: Ask HN: Anybody Started a Research Institute?

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Scrolling around the comments, I'm not seeing much discussion about funding. Are billionaire friends a requirement to set up an independent research organization?

Asking as an engineering PhD doing what feels like gopher work for big companies. I have armchair dreams and ideas for doing research again, but I've never been clear on how one would get that first grant.

Also, as an alternative to a purely academic route, is it practical to create an institute focused on more worldly things like patents or consulting?

I imagine a professional network would be key no matter what path you take!

Re: Ask HN: Anybody Started a Research Institute?

#87

Having worked with academics before, the biggest problem you will face is not having enough prestige to attract "great minds". You're probably off on the money too - academics will expect to be able to buy a comfortable house and support a family on your stipend, not live on ramen like a startup. They're a fickle bunch, but very rewarding to work with!

I don't think it's fickle to want to make a decent living from your hard-earned and valuable skills.

Indeed, with a point of view like:

> as I am currently acquiring some real estate that I want to put to good use in Germany

> space to work rent-free

> LLC-like structure

It sounds like the poster's head is not in the game at all. Like what instead of buying a literally useless building, you just pay people?

Re: Ask HN: Anybody Started a Research Institute?

#88
post #41

You will need administrators, the people you are going to bring in are unlilely to have the experience to manage the institutional financial aspects of grants. Also most funding agencies will not give easily to places that are not recognized somehow (nor will reviewers).

A grant proposal would need to reassure the agency that the organization has the capacity to fulfil the promised research, so for a new organization without a track record of successful projects it will mostly hinge on the track record of the individual researchers they can attract; if OP can get some experienced PIs with big names and big CVs,then it would be plausible to get agency funding, but they will likely require nontrivial financial guarantees; but if they attract some fresh PhDs with "space to work rent-free" and a stipend, then yes, most funding agencies will not find their grant proposals competitive enough.

Re: Ask HN: Anybody Started a Research Institute?

#89
post #44

Hi. I went through this journey myself. I have a CS master degree, and always wanted to transition into AI research (focus on probabilistic programming, deep learning and self-play, but also simulation, learning-to-learn, bayesian inference, genetic algorithms). The initial plan was to self-learn machine learning, deep learning and statistics. I did that for 1 year, with the hope of joining on of the big AI labs afte…

That’s quite a flex! How do you anticipate disseminating the results of your research group without compromising the highly competitive position of your financial interests? Will you publish papers on toy datasets?
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