2022 Ford F-150 Lightning • Hacker News Board

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by keanebean86 » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

thanatos519 wrote: post #25

CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Don't forget that electric vehicles are almost silent.

I think they're supposed to generate some kind of sound at low speeds. Or at least the government wants them to.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/12/14/2016-28...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by coder543 » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

thanatos519 wrote: post #25

CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Don't forget that electric vehicles are almost silent.

Nope.

All electric vehicles sold in the US since September 2020 must have a Pedestrian Warning System that emits noise at speeds less than 18mph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sound...

Once you're above 10mph or 15mph the road noise from the tires makes more noise than the quiet gas engines we have these days anyways.

This electric F-150 will not be "almost silent" in any way that matters to a pedestrian. It will certainly be less obnoxious to everyone than those grating diesel engine trucks, and I hope no one complains about the loss of that noise pollution.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by criddell » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

defaultname wrote: post #11

The aspect I'm most curious about is towing range. I have a 5000lb travel trailer that I tow about 200km away a few times a year. I'm pretty sure I'd be out of luck with a vehicle like this. It has the ability to pull the trailer with ease, but most preliminary estimates are that range would be two digits with that sort of load. In my current vehicle I do stop for gas midway, but it would be an entirely different sit…

If you only need to do it a few times a year, why not rent a truck?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by FridayoLeary » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

seanalltogether wrote: post #35

post_break wrote: post #13

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It already exists in the electric mustang, and looks exactly like that. Go to 10:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4n5iPqxpaw

Very cool, I love it, I hope more automakers figure out clever ways to keep analog controls mixed in with touch.

For my part i hope that they figure out that not literally everything needs to be crammed on to a flashy screen. The purging of tactile controls must stop.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by cpascal » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

ginko wrote: post #64

So according to this[1] it looks like the motors and batteries are in the bottom of the car like in other EVs. Which makes me wonder: What's under the enormous hood in front? Is it just empty space? [1] https://www.ford.com/is/image/content/dam/vdm_ford/live/en_u...

It's the "frunk".

Here's a picture: https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/dTXcXTNslbGIJam0Wy9BRhk_I80=...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by noisy_boy » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

It does have some very nice features. However, I think the reason people who have no need to tow or go offroad would buy this is the same reason people with light workloads buy i9 laptops with 64GB of RAM - spec-flex that they can easily afford.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by WillPostForFood » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #50

I'm curious, with the advent of electric what's the advantage of a truck vs. a minivan for a lot of situations? IIRC there were literal space constraints before which is why a minivan couldn't tow like a truck, but since the motor and batteries sit underneath the car, couldn't one build a van/minivan with just as much power as this? If that's the case, other than hauling very tall objects, why get a truck? A minivan…

The advantage of a truck is you can carry more, or taller things, and they don't get the inside of your vehicle dirty. imagine you just mowed a wet, muddy lawn, do you want the mower in the back of your minivan, or in the bed of truck? Also, many tall things that you might haul in the back of truck can't simply be reposition into a minivan (tall and long or tall and many).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by prennert » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

jakob223 wrote: post #46

thanatos519 wrote: post #25

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Don't forget that electric vehicles are almost silent.

Not when moving at any significant speed - most of the sound of a vehicle going faster than 10mph ish is tires.

Have you ever lived next to a road in a city? I can tell you that the most noise comes from revving engines.

There is a also a massive difference between noise a normally driven ICE vehicle makes compared to an electric one at city speeds. The electric ones are very silent and barely audible if they don't make that humming sound. Even at 20-30mph.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by defaultname » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #27

dubcanada wrote: post #18

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Wait, so you're against cars? I am confused as to what any of that has to do with the new electric F-150.

EVs are heavier by nature (this vehicle’s battery pack alone is ~1800 lbs). Your average driver is not good at driving. The F150 sells very well. Ergo, more risk of more property damage and human harm. You can’t get around physics. More mass with more force carries more risk.

The curb weight of the Lightning seems to be approximately the same as the ICE F150s. 4600-5000lbs. Batteries are heavy, but so are engines and transmissions.

The battery being low should dramatically improve the safety of the vehicle by improving stability.

It's still a huge vehicle, though. It would be nice if we trended smaller, and left vehicles like this to people who actually need it.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 21, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

ginko wrote: post #64

So according to this[1] it looks like the motors and batteries are in the bottom of the car like in other EVs. Which makes me wonder: What's under the enormous hood in front? Is it just empty space? [1] https://www.ford.com/is/image/content/dam/vdm_ford/live/en_u...

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