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Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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A competitive market would enable me to sort by salary and benefits and apply for the best job. However companies don't want to compete on salary, and potentialy drive them up - they want maximum leverage. They get more leverage if process is obscure, so that you only agree salary late in the process and for the applicant, pulling out is risky. The market is not really free - its being manipulated by one side. Simila…

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Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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So it' s basically a corporate boycott against labor laws favorable to employees?! I guess this will be first time a boycott won't be broken by a police charge and perhaps even becoming successful! /s

> favorable to employees Is it really though? Complete transparency in salary ranges also means that every other employer can see exactly what their competition is offering. I can't help but worry that this will lead to a sort of "price fixing" that will actually drive wages _down_.

If wages were going to be driven down by this then corporations would not only be all for it, but would probably lobby to make it a law everywhere.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

#83

A competitive market would enable me to sort by salary and benefits and apply for the best job. However companies don't want to compete on salary, and potentialy drive them up - they want maximum leverage. They get more leverage if process is obscure, so that you only agree salary late in the process and for the applicant, pulling out is risky. The market is not really free - its being manipulated by one side. Simila…

Sort of, except recruiters definitely know salary ranges. I don't always use recruiters but I did previously and was placed well every time. They're a annoying middleman that can really help.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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A competitive market would enable me to sort by salary and benefits and apply for the best job. However companies don't want to compete on salary, and potentialy drive them up - they want maximum leverage. They get more leverage if process is obscure, so that you only agree salary late in the process and for the applicant, pulling out is risky. The market is not really free - its being manipulated by one side. Simila…

>>With housing (in UK) there is no competition on quality because the seller doesn't have to disclose any problems with the house. If it falls of a cliff the minute you sign on the dotted line, it's your problem.

I'm in the UK and that's absolutely not true. If you think the owner knew about the problem and purposefully omitted telling you, then you definitely have a court case and any law firm worth their salt will win this. I bought a house recently and the documents the sellers had to fill out for the solicitors very clearly say there are are no known issues with this house, so if that's a lie then the sale can be rendered null and void.

>>You have to pay for the surveyor to find out any issues the house might have, and that means you can only view a few houses before you've paid the house price in survey fees.

I've had a few mortgages so far and I'm yet to find a bank not willing to cover the cost of a full survey, as the bank also wants to know the house they are securing the loan against is actually worth the money.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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post #31

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Wow. I could see companies excluding CO just due to the regulatory burden alone, even if they agree with the spirit of the law. I mean why create new HR processes when you have 49 other states to hire from?

Only as long as Colorado is the only state with this law. If California or New York adopts it, employers will probably just accept it nationwide.

"This offer only valid in the former Confederate states, where they know how to treat labor."

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this feels a little disingenuous. the dude is a public facing exec that said shitty stuff about women, working at a company that heavily signals it won’t be like that. it seems like a lower level employee with the same views wouldn’t write a book including them or be liable for those views. context is important

It shouldn't matter what his role is. Saying some off the cuff stuff a few years ago in an obscure book doesn't make a workplace unsafe. That is disingenuous. I've seen people fired for similar "unsafe" bullshit. Literally anything can trigger these deranged individuals. They're just out to play victim and get attention. And no, I don't think all toxic workplace behaviour is like this, many places have narcissists an…

“ They have their self-regarding entitlement feminism, and ceaselessly vaunt their independence, but the reality is, come the epidemic plague or foreign invasion, they’d become precisely the sort of useless baggage you’d trade for a box of shotgun shells or a jerry can of diesel.”

so this is ok because he’s saying they’re only useless in an apocalyptic scenario? he’s literally saying that the core of women is useless in the “real world”.

i understand that it can feel like there’s a group of anonymous “woke thugs” wondering the internet trying to get people. if you feel that way it might be useful for you to try and empathize with why someone would feel that way.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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Curious how wide the salary ranges can be. Are there ways companies can just provide a wide range and get away?

Might be counterproductive. If I, as an applicant, see a wide range and think there's a good chance that it's in bad faith, I might just skip them altogether in my search.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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A competitive market would enable me to sort by salary and benefits and apply for the best job. However companies don't want to compete on salary, and potentialy drive them up - they want maximum leverage. They get more leverage if process is obscure, so that you only agree salary late in the process and for the applicant, pulling out is risky. The market is not really free - its being manipulated by one side. Simila…

In the US, real estate sellers have to disclose known problems, but they can claim they didn't know, and then you might have to fight it out in court. It's still in your interest to get an inspection before closing.

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Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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post #31

The law also requires that Colorado employees be informed of all promotional opportunities. A promotional opportunity is "a vacancy in an existing or new position that could be considered a promotion for one or more employees in terms of compensation, benefits, status, duties, or access to further advancement." If a company doesn't already have Colorado employees, they may not be interested in having a remote employe…

Wow. I could see companies excluding CO just due to the regulatory burden alone, even if they agree with the spirit of the law. I mean why create new HR processes when you have 49 other states to hire from?

Though it does seem like the promotion opportunity is one that any sane company will want to have anyway. It takes some time to learn the companies internal systems, and promoting from within saves a lot of that time.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been taught in school that perfect competition ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_competition ) requires perfect information ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_information ), so I assume giving more information would increase competition. Could you share why this is anti-competitive?

Competition doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the amount of information. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/competition

"Perfect competition" is a specific economic concept. The dictionary definition of "competition" doesn't really apply to this discussion.
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