Not sure how this is a problem since I assumed most cloud providers severely control and throttle IO.
Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming
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Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have 512GB Ram, cant it be used for plotting without ssd?
You could. But someone else could add 8 SSD's for the same money and plot multiple times as fast as you, until the SSDs break.
And what happens if the SSDs break? You lose your plot? Has to be right - since it's proof of space? But what then is the use of burning through SSDs so fast?
Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming
#83Somebody needs to invent a coin that works on proof-of-carbon-emission-reductions, or proof-of-global-poverty-reduction and do some real good for the world.
A smart bike that prints coins based on the energy put into the bike.
i factory full of those bikes with motors to spin the wheels and gps spoofing
Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming
#84Proof of Space is just Proof of Work by another means. Honestly, I'd rather just have (electric) PoW -- at least the energy source could be green, and any green energy capacity built out for PoW can be repurposed.
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#85Chia plotting is forbidden on all SSD and NVMe powered instances
Translation: Scaleway didn't take SSD wear into account when designing their cloud.
Chia farming is allowed on Scaleway Object Storage providing prior request has been both made and authorized by our sales team
Translation: They can't expand their object storage fast enough to keep up with demand.
Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming
#86Perhaps the "paperclip maximizer" doomsday scenario was right in was right in its broad strokes but just wrong about the agents involved? They were worried about a super-competent AI that burns resources producing low-utility widgets. In fact we have created an system (a combination of societal incentive structures and technological tools) that burns resources producing low-utility pseudo-random numbers.
Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s like proof of stake - you have to prove you have a track record of producing the emissions.
Burn tires for a year then reap the reductions the next.
Sure - that’s pretty much how it works. If you own and can defend a jurisdiction where you can do that, other people will likely pay or trade things with you to stop.
Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming
#88Is it possible to optimize plotting to use I/O less and RAM more? Or is it an inherent boundary of the protocol like energy use is in PoW?
If you have ~300 GB of RAM you should be able to plot directly in RAM.
Imagine a cloud provider has 300GB RAM. What if they plotted and let other people later download the plot?
Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming
#89the time to farm chia was three months ago
Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming
#90> Chia plotting is extremely I/O intensive and destroys most SSDs in under a few weeks I need to look into this more, but I think this is an implementation issue. It should buffer in RAM to require only one write pass. Edit: I was wrong. They set a minimum k that wouldn’t easily fit in ram.
it is possible, the problem is just that you need around 240GiB of temporary memory