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Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by nklayman »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #66
nim2020 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We actually had this at an earlier stage during the alpha, but got so caught up in the alpha that we just plain forgot to put the apps for mac, win and linux back up there. We'll try to get that done this weekend. We have a full "API Explorer" app that we built... https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/tree/dev/examples/api

You're going to do great. Just steer the ship back in the direction of the elevator pitch experience. After that 20-30 second experience, if people are interested in more (provide Getting Started at the end of all of that, not the beginning,) they will click on it and want to learn more about what you have to offer. Avoid putting things in people's face before they've gotten to know you. You're not trying to be a foo…

Having the getting started button at the end is a good idea I think, we'll look into that.

We say "web frontend" because that's as descriptive as we can be really. We support any web framework that runs in a browser. As for screenshots of big companies' apps, we don't have any major companies that have adopted Tauri yet, as we just came out of alpha, but we will add a section like that as soon as we can.

It's difficult for us to demonstrate how Tauri is used in short snippets that could fit at the beginning of the Getting Started section. Electron's site doesn't have any code snippets either, just snippets for installing via npm and some example apps.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by nerdponx »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #74
fabiospampinato wrote: post #68

As a developer of an Electron app to me a competing framework that doesn't bundle its own rendering engine doesn't make sense, why would I want to trade control over how my app is rendered for ~100MB of disk space? I might as well just ship a website at that point, almost everything that makes Electron appealing comes from shipping your own rendering engine.

you can't ship your own rendering engine on ios > why would I want to trade control over how my app is render for ~100MB of disk space? it depends how much you respect your users

100 MB on disk is less than 0.1% of a typical consumer SSD. Memory and processor usage is the concern.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by jariel »

nim2020 wrote: post #54
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #42

I don't care about your YouTube videos, I don't care about your governance, I don't care about your book, tell me what it is in non-marketing speak and show me a screenshot on the front page and shut up about everything else. Tell me what it is, show me what it looks like, provide a "Hello, World!" API example for opening a window on the front page. Stop contributing to landing pages that jerk the consumer around.

Like I wrote in another response, we are due for a landing page revamp, and we'll be sure to make a "nothing but the facts" hero for people like yourself who are concerned that their time is being wasted.

I don't think it's so much 'nothing but the facts' but rather a little more effort to explain 'what it is'.

It's not that the site is 'marketing speak', it's just that it's a 3/10 on communications.

Even two sentences at the top would help.

I've spent a minute on it and I'm not sure what it is.

It's a way to make apps, but it doesn't have a front end? I don't even know what that means.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by mrkurt »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #42

I don't care about your YouTube videos, I don't care about your governance, I don't care about your book, tell me what it is in non-marketing speak and show me a screenshot on the front page and shut up about everything else. Tell me what it is, show me what it looks like, provide a "Hello, World!" API example for opening a window on the front page. Stop contributing to landing pages that jerk the consumer around.

This is unbelievably harsh, and "your landing page sucks" is the most boring comment people can make on HN posts.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by bstar77 »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #42

I don't care about your YouTube videos, I don't care about your governance, I don't care about your book, tell me what it is in non-marketing speak and show me a screenshot on the front page and shut up about everything else. Tell me what it is, show me what it looks like, provide a "Hello, World!" API example for opening a window on the front page. Stop contributing to landing pages that jerk the consumer around.

"Tauri is a toolkit that helps developers make applications for the major desktop platforms - using virtually any frontend framework in existence. The core is built with Rust and the CLI leverages Node.js making Tauri a genuinely polyglot approach to creating and maintaining great apps."

That's the first paragraph on the About page. Landing pages have multiple purposes and need to address different types of viewers, not just the neckbeards. The marketing speak is likely more for convincing IT manages this is a legit project and does not have common "deal breakers".

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

mrkurt wrote: post #84
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #42

I don't care about your YouTube videos, I don't care about your governance, I don't care about your book, tell me what it is in non-marketing speak and show me a screenshot on the front page and shut up about everything else. Tell me what it is, show me what it looks like, provide a "Hello, World!" API example for opening a window on the front page. Stop contributing to landing pages that jerk the consumer around.

This is unbelievably harsh, and "your landing page sucks" is the most boring comment people can make on HN posts.

Yes, you're right. It's direct in an abrasive way, but I give specific actionable feedback about how to improve, and I'm not sorry.

I want people to be direct about how my projects need to improve, because I know how it doesn't meet my standards, but I don't know how it fails to meet other people's standards, which is more important if you're concerned with adoption.

See my other post in this thread for an example.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by capableweb »

bstar77 wrote: post #85
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #42

I don't care about your YouTube videos, I don't care about your governance, I don't care about your book, tell me what it is in non-marketing speak and show me a screenshot on the front page and shut up about everything else. Tell me what it is, show me what it looks like, provide a "Hello, World!" API example for opening a window on the front page. Stop contributing to landing pages that jerk the consumer around.

"Tauri is a toolkit that helps developers make applications for the major desktop platforms - using virtually any frontend framework in existence. The core is built with Rust and the CLI leverages Node.js making Tauri a genuinely polyglot approach to creating and maintaining great apps." That's the first paragraph on the About page. Landing pages have multiple purposes and need to address different types of viewers,…

> The marketing speak is likely more for convincing IT manages this is a legit project and does not have common "deal breakers".

If this is the case, it's an excellent reason to not use Tauri. Making their decisions based on what IT managers want to read rather than what developers need to do their job? Good luck with that, might work in some bubbles but the rest of the world is trying to be productive.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by pavlov »

fabiospampinato wrote: post #68

As a developer of an Electron app to me a competing framework that doesn't bundle its own rendering engine doesn't make sense, why would I want to trade control over how my app is rendered for ~100MB of disk space? I might as well just ship a website at that point, almost everything that makes Electron appealing comes from shipping your own rendering engine.

Apple's brand new iMacs with the M1 CPU only have 8 GB of RAM.

If every little desktop widget loads its own browser engine, most of that RAM will be spent on redundant copies of Chromium.

If your Electron app is something that you expect users to run almost exclusively, then no problem. If it's just another little client app for some service, please consider a solution that would reduce its memory footprint.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by fabiospampinato »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #74
fabiospampinato wrote: post #68

As a developer of an Electron app to me a competing framework that doesn't bundle its own rendering engine doesn't make sense, why would I want to trade control over how my app is rendered for ~100MB of disk space? I might as well just ship a website at that point, almost everything that makes Electron appealing comes from shipping your own rendering engine.

you can't ship your own rendering engine on ios > why would I want to trade control over how my app is render for ~100MB of disk space? it depends how much you respect your users

> you can't ship your own rendering engine on ios

That's irrelevant, just because I can't do some things on iOS doesn't mean that I shouldn't do them under desktop OS' too.

Just one example: file system watching, if I need to do that with Electron I'll just use `chokidar` and have it working in no time, plus I can share whatever frontend code with the backend too, good luck doing the same with Tauri (given the current state of things anyway).

> it depends how much you respect your users

I don't know what kind of users you've got but mine care about me iterating quickly on the app, care about having new features, care about having a faster app. Most of them would consider trading any of that for ~100MB of disk space stupid.

As I said, if disk space is all you care about you might as well just ship a website.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by Waterluvian »

juancampa wrote: post #64
nim2020 wrote: post #2

Hey - I am nothingismagick aka Denjell, one of the founders of Tauri, and will do my best to answer your questions about the project, rust, wasm, etc. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri

Interesting that you guys list "No Rust Skills Required" as a Pro instead of a Con. As a Rust programmer I'd prefer "No JS Required"

?

Are you asking for them to make an entirely different product?

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