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Many years ago a big tech company opened a new office in my city and started recruiting developers at my university. They wanted to be fair and treat both sexes equally so they decided on male/female parity (at least 30% women). But on my year (computer science) there were just 3 gals vs 30 guys, but there were groups with even worse ratio. So the company hired all female students they could and then started looking…
Name the so called big tech company, you're already posting under a new throwaway. If you don't we can assume you just made that up.
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Saying that a person shouldn’t be hired into a prominent position where they will likely manage women on the basis that that person has said women are worthless is nothing like lynching.
Not exactly lynching, not exactly calling, not exactly women, not exactly worthless. Likely to be abusive or hostile towards women because he did what? Any cases from the past? Or is the book title 'Mein Kampf'?
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#83All: if you're posting to this site to smite enemies, you're abusing it. That's not what HN is for, and it destroys what it is for. Please review the guidelines and use the site as intended, lest it burn to a crisp. Scorched earth, as I've been trying to tell people here for years, is not interesting—nor is it in any of our interests. This forum is only valuable to any of us to the degree that it can remain interesting and unpredictable.
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Women are a minority of workers at most tech firms.
Right, men are a minority in many fields (like Biology) but you would not call them a 'minority' group.
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This is a wider excerpt: "When she was in her teens, her father decided to move the family to the United States, where they suffered a financial reversal she was unwilling to talk about. Suddenly not among the moneyed class, she hustled herself through the redbrick boondocks of the University of Vermont. Citibank internship led to a Deutsche Bank job, and after a few years she was an equity derivatives trader at Deut…
He did not write a fiction novel. He wrote a book about his time working on ads at Facebook. He has now been hired to work on ads at Apple. Pointing this out is not "throwing away all literature".
What's interesting in this episode is how the culture has shifted. The exact same style that once delighted the counterculture, which at the time was what progressives all identified with, is now a transgression that gets you banned from progressive circles, which have since become elite circles culturally, with growing political power as well. All of this is a tectonic cultural shift, and it's fascinating!
There's a very interesting intermediate case at the midpoint between Hunter S. Thompson and this guy: that is the similarly gonzo The eXile which was produced by Mark Ames and Matt Taibbi during their time in Russia in the 90s. The worst passages from that publication—which were far more misogynistic than anything this guy wrote—were dredged up a few years ago, with the intention of denouncing the authors as part of MeToo. In the end, nothing much came of it, partly because one of the women being written about came forward to say that those passages were satirical and that she had always been treated well by the authors. But I think the more important difference between that case and this is that the culture has shifted significantly in the intervening 3 or 4 years. If this incident were happening now, I bet the outcome would be different. The very same gunpowder that made counterculture heroes of Thompson and his ilk, and which the eXile guys got away with by a hair, now blows up in your face, and at much smaller doses too.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
How so? People can have all the opinions they want but saying things such as "women are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit." isn't okay. Please convince me how that is employable behavior?
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So women should be forced to work under a known misogynist, their salary and promotions tied to a boss that thinks them inferior and has literally published a book saying so? Yeah, there are no examples of that going poorly.
Nobody forces them to work, and 'known mysogynist' is just a personal attack without merit. What actions did he take against women in general or any woman in particular to be called a misogynist? Remember, if it's only your personal belief, if you dislike the book and the author of it you're free to look for another workplace. But not free to take actions against someone just because you don't like them.
Right, because women are all still all housewives and don't need to worry about bills or having jobs and the bosses they might have.
> What actions did he take against
How have you missed the whole "wrote book expressing lots of misogyny" bit?
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So women should be forced to work under a known misogynist, their salary and promotions tied to a boss that thinks them inferior and has literally published a book saying so? Yeah, there are no examples of that going poorly.
> thinks them inferior To who? Eastern European woman. How is this sexist? > known misogynist Men find women physically attractive. I would be interested to know what films, books, comedians you actually find permissible for yourself to enjoy. If you take offense to what is written here, I really don’t see how most of the media available today can be suitable. Do you ever ask yourself if you are being consistent in y…
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What percentage of Bay Area women comprise all women in the world? And what is your definition of most? He is comparing Bay Area women to Eastern European women.
I don’t believe that you can make a comment as sweeping as “most Bay Area women... are so useless you could trade them for a jerry can of diesel” that doesn’t reflect a stance on all women. There are 7.75 million people in the “Bay Area”, presumably about half women. The idea that you could believe nearly 4 million women with totally disparate histories - only united by currently living in the Bay Area and being wome…
If the quote references “Bay Area” women then this is completely different to talking about women in general - which would be sexist.
Like many commenters here you are taking the quote out of context. A classic scarecrow argument.
Because if we read “Bay area women”, we then have to ask “why does he draw this conclusion about Bay Area women in particular?”.
And then it becomes obvious he is comparing them to the Eastern European women he is newly dating.
Read the full quote.
He should have included Bay Area men too but because he is comparing to his girlfriend it wouldn’t have made sense.
> trade for shotgun shells during invasion
Most Bay Area people are anti-military and easily offended and need a heap of things to be done for them to feel “safe” and mental support etc. - as is perfectly exemplified in this very drama. This is your Bay Area women he talks about.
The point he makes here is that if there was a zombie invasion survival situation (zombies associate with shotguns), it’s unlikely that the people with characteristics I described above would be much help, compared with his Easter European girlfriend who he sees as tougher. This could be said about “bay area people”.
It’s honestly funny to think about a Bay Area person fighting a zombie war because of every trivial thing triggers them into an anxiety attack.
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I don’t believe that you can make a comment as sweeping as “most Bay Area women... are so useless you could trade them for a jerry can of diesel” that doesn’t reflect a stance on all women. There are 7.75 million people in the “Bay Area”, presumably about half women. The idea that you could believe nearly 4 million women with totally disparate histories - only united by currently living in the Bay Area and being wome…
Even more importantly IMO, Apple is located in the Bay Area! That means he's speaking about his would-be coworkers and subordinates. I don't see how you could be a good team member if you come with these types of preconceived notions about the other people on the team.
It’s simply not true of Bay Area employees. They make huge sums of money and yet you must give them everything they want or they will strike, form unions etc.
They are emotionally triggered by words they misinterpret etc.
It’s better to be realistic about the people you are going to work with so as to not hurt their feelings. Is this weak? Yes. But I think what they believe in is that it’s okay to be weak and lack emotional resilience, and instead, we should restrict and censure anything and anyone that violates are emotional safety, rather than being strong and building emotional resilience, etc.