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Re: GitHub repository for Sedgewick's Algorithms is taken down

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This isn't worth getting your feathers ruffled over. Some algorithm or barely-paid human automaton flagged it, someone higher up will notice it, it'll be added to an exception list, problem solved. It's not ideal, but it's not malicious or nefarious or even worth talking about every time something like this happens. It's a simple mistake that has a simple solution.

Yes, like the parent says, don't overreact. This is totally not symptomatic for lopsided legislation. So please be quiet already, it will be easier for everyone. You are worried you might be next? Kid, grow up, this is life, nobody said it'd be easy. Here's your gun in case the tanks are coming...

/s

Re: GitHub repository for Sedgewick's Algorithms is taken down

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Not totally unrelated: Pearson is a piece of trash company. They sell very overpriced textbooks and always use DRM in online copies. They lobby for standardized tests in states and get them mandated. Students are put through them. And guess who provides the certificate required by teachers to evaluate those exam copies? Yes, Pearson. And they make a ton of money. Please watch this talk for more context (even if you d…

OT but is there a reason one would not like TED talks? Your parenthesis made me feel it could be controversial (comparable to social media).

A lot of academics and scientists I know dislike TED talks. First the name means (T)echnology, (E)ntertainment, and (D)esign -- which are all proximal to, but quite different from, actual science. If anything, it turns science into consumer products, and gloms it with self-help and entertainment in a quasi-megachurch format (hint: "innovation" is the savior; and everything is cast as innovation, esp. technological). Second, it induces a race to the bottom in terms of simplification and overselling conclusion / significance (compare with the perspective that knowledge production requires deep backgrounds to truly understand, and that the results of most experiments / analyses / models of the real world are fairly nuanced). Third, the stuff that comes from their franchising (TEDx) contains some real garbage.

Re: GitHub repository for Sedgewick's Algorithms is taken down

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It's the Sedgewick/Wayne Algorithms 4 in Java part. The author had an arrangement with the Pearson editor to release the accompanying code for the Java update under the GPL, but apparently someone else at Pearson's had a different idea. Let's see if he has it in writing.

Re: GitHub repository for Sedgewick's Algorithms is taken down

#85

The story I don’t see being discussed is that Github is now engaged in the same kind of rotten behavior as YouTube.

I recommended checking out Tom Scott’s video on DMCA (0). It’s 40 minutes long and rather YouTube centric however it paints a very clear picture as to why these companies are engaging in a seemingly broken practice. It’s not because they want to, it’s because they are legally required to do so.

(0) - https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

Re: GitHub repository for Sedgewick's Algorithms is taken down

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Not totally unrelated: Pearson is a piece of trash company. They sell very overpriced textbooks and always use DRM in online copies. They lobby for standardized tests in states and get them mandated. Students are put through them. And guess who provides the certificate required by teachers to evaluate those exam copies? Yes, Pearson. And they make a ton of money. Please watch this talk for more context (even if you d…

Also, they release new versions of books all the time and force their use in classes, making it impossible to use 2nd hand textbooks in a lot of cases. *I mean, come on. How of ten do fundamental physics change... Pearson is a company that should not exist.

This one reason is why it's nice to take classes from professors that base most of your grade on exams rather than homework.

You can pick one book for the prose and another for the practice problems and neither have to be whatever the professor recommended.

Re: GitHub repository for Sedgewick's Algorithms is taken down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Costs could be per false claim, it would incentivize them to decrease their false positive rate.

The law is based on the doctrine of unclean hands. Judges decide on a case by case basis, based on the facts pertaining to the case. An artist finds their life’s work online, and issues a takedown notice, not realizing it contained a few songs they don’t notice? No big deal. A label pays a takedown notice mill, that produces completely bogus / mistargeted takedown requests on a regular basis? Scorched earth. They los…

> The law is based on the doctrine of unclean hands. Judges decide on a case by case basis, based on the facts pertaining to the case.

Judges don't scale and they are a step function, not an incentive gradient.

> An artist finds their life’s work online, and issues a takedown notice, not realizing it contained a few songs they don’t notice? No big deal.

If he had to pay a small(!) fee for mistakes in his takedown it would mean little harm to him since he protected his works with one takdown. One could even add an exemption for first-time mistakes. If he has to do it repeatedly then one would hope that he improves his search process.

Additionally you have to consider that takedown notices can be filed against middle-men targeting many different 3rd parties at once. E.g. consider URL takedowns submitted to google. Google has no dirty hands and neither do some of the mistaken targets.

Small fees would only add up if you issue bogus takedowns in bulk. They also have the advantage of not burdening the courts and providing the right incentives. The fact that the cost exists would drive people to reduce false positives which would make the penalty being required less often.

As far as fees go one could also distinguish between fair use disputes vs. wholly incorrect claims. After all in the former case the claimant has a valid case and it is just that there exists a valid defense. In the latter case the claim itself was invalid.

> A label pays a takedown notice mill, that produces completely bogus / mistargeted takedown requests on a regular basis? Scorched earth. They lose the ability to enforce any copyrights on their catalog.

That is not what is happening in reality.

Re: GitHub repository for Sedgewick's Algorithms is taken down

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Not totally unrelated: Pearson is a piece of trash company. They sell very overpriced textbooks and always use DRM in online copies. They lobby for standardized tests in states and get them mandated. Students are put through them. And guess who provides the certificate required by teachers to evaluate those exam copies? Yes, Pearson. And they make a ton of money. Please watch this talk for more context (even if you d…

OT but is there a reason one would not like TED talks? Your parenthesis made me feel it could be controversial (comparable to social media).

TED gives a platform to pseudoscience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7WSf2fusU4

Re: GitHub repository for Sedgewick's Algorithms is taken down

#89

We should have a penalty/fine for fake DCMA requests. Big corps keep sending automated DCMAs with little consequence and often the little guys do have the resources to fight back.

Even simpler, require those filing a claim to put down a monetary deposit. If the accused disputes, they too file a deposit.

The winner gets the money back and the platform gets to keep the losers deposit as a fee for having a trained, certified human make the decision.

Make the fees scale up with the number of claims by an accuser.

No one would file a frivolous claim. No one would dispute an obviously correct claim. The cost of having humans decide is covered, so platforms like Google have no excuse.

Re: GitHub repository for Sedgewick's Algorithms is taken down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There should be some sort of modest cost somewhere to stop this nonsense. Playing the Devil's Advocate here: But wouldn't that in turn incentivise actual copyright infringement on account of it potentially being cheaper to mass publish copyrighted material as opposed to request it being taken down?

I hadn't thought about that angle before. Is the public interest best served by adding friction to copyright enforcement, or by adding friction to fair use?

Good question. I honestly don't know. We would have to re-evaluate the value of IP as whole first, I guess.
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