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Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by johnzim »

lucb1e wrote: post #78
staticassertion wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 years at Google is forever, and it's not uncommon at all for people to jump around projects at the company. It's also a full year beyond what's necessary to vest. Really silly way to write that.

European here - what's it mean to vest shares? It sounds like some sort of stock options became unlocked? I haven't heard of this thing before, just of stocks being part of salary for small startups that don't have actual money to pay you (or at least, that's what I've heard warnings for on HN).

Yep - your options trickle in over a vesting period.

Typically there’s also a ‘Cliff’ at the start - a period during which no options are available to you.

addendum: the ‘standard’ Silicon Valley stock option deal is: 4 year vest, 1 year cliff.

Eg: first 12 months, no options

Day 1 of 13th month - 25% of your options are available to you

Then the rest of the 3 years vest at a regular pace with the remaining 75% of your options dropping on a monthly cadence

The exception being Amazon who basically give you nothing for 2 years and then ramp up significantly.

Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by leetcrew »

jandrese wrote: post #63
leetcrew wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

assuming this is in good faith, please take a look at this list of banned subreddits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti... though the world is probably better off without a lot of those, they are not all literal nazi subs.

It won't be 100% Nazis. You'll also have the spammers, pedos, and assorted wingnuts. Trolls can always take over unmoderated forums because while they can drive the reasonable users out by reducing the signal to noise ratio down to a useless level, the reasonable users have no power drive them out. It's a completely imbalanced power dynamic. All forums need some sort of moderation or they will always collapse once th…

"reasonable users" is doing a lot of work here. not everyone desires the same level of discourse you do on every site they visit. /b/ has just about the bare minimum level of moderation needed to comply with US law and a lot of people seem to enjoy using it.

Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by dfxm12 »

adamrezich wrote: post #19
newsclues wrote: post #15

I miss canv.as

canv.as always seemed like a great idea, ahead of its time, as far as letting people make memes easier... but now, flash forward to today, and original content on 4chan is at a proportional all-time low. users there always say things like "someone take this image and shop [x] in" instead of doing it themselves in mspaint.

Unfortunately, this happens in all kinds of communities, physical and digital. A place is hip because creative types concentrate there, contribute to each other, pushing each other's boundaries to create new things. Consumers notice these new things, come in to consume, but make no effort to contribute back to the community. The creatives eventually move on either because they've become unwelcome or realize they have not much new to learn, and the consumers are left behind wondering why their community doesn't feel hip any more.

I never try to take for granted when I'm involved in artists' spaces, FOSS projects, hacker spaces, etc. The point is to continue a cycle of learning and contributing back, not consume until all the resources are sucked dry...

Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by at_a_remove »

lamp987 wrote: post #60
JeremyBanks wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without censorship... so you want a place with nazis? 'cause that's what happens.

This If people's opinions arent watched, selected and filtered, we might get another third reich soon.

Indeed, we need a strong regime to overlook and approve everything, on each and every commentary platform, to make sure that wrongthink does not occur, otherwise, we might have a totalitari- oops, too late.

Nothing has more of a "Whoever fights monsters ..." vibe than the endless fixation on Nazis. I suppose we will have to amend the Four Horsemen of the Infoacalypse from "drug-dealers, money-launderers, terrorists, and pedophiles." My vote is that we put "Nazis" in place of "terrorists," given that a well-known anti-DDoS service decided to revoke protections for Stormfront while still providing services at the time to ISIS. Yes, that ISIS, the slow-motion, lovingly filmed execution of infidels ISIS.

Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

It's hilarious after all these years shitty journalists still believe Anonymous is a hacker group rather than just some kids trolling.

I mean imagine if Facebook had the option to be anonymous somehow on their platform and called everyone Unnamed who hadn't finished their registration or didn't want to.

You'd see Unnamed responsible for nation-state sponsored terrorism and manipulating the votes of other countries. What a joke.

Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by sixstringtheory »

lucb1e wrote: post #78
staticassertion wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 years at Google is forever, and it's not uncommon at all for people to jump around projects at the company. It's also a full year beyond what's necessary to vest. Really silly way to write that.

European here - what's it mean to vest shares? It sounds like some sort of stock options became unlocked? I haven't heard of this thing before, just of stocks being part of salary for small startups that don't have actual money to pay you (or at least, that's what I've heard warnings for on HN).

Yep you got it. Usually you vest 25% of your hiring offer per year, so after four years you’re fully vested. Some companies skew it towards later in the four year period to keep folks from jumping ship after the first payout (“golden handcuffs”). I’ve seen Amazon’s stock vesting schedule set at 5-15-40-40.

Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by jandrese »

leetcrew wrote: post #82
jandrese wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't be 100% Nazis. You'll also have the spammers, pedos, and assorted wingnuts. Trolls can always take over unmoderated forums because while they can drive the reasonable users out by reducing the signal to noise ratio down to a useless level, the reasonable users have no power drive them out. It's a completely imbalanced power dynamic. All forums need some sort of moderation or they will always collapse once th…

"reasonable users" is doing a lot of work here. not everyone desires the same level of discourse you do on every site they visit. /b/ has just about the bare minimum level of moderation needed to comply with US law and a lot of people seem to enjoy using it.

/b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at this point, and as you note it does have some moderation.

Some of the other forums on 4chan might be better examples, but even those have some moderation. Forums like /tg/ have managed to hang on alright, although their total post volume per day is quite small compared to /b/.

Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by goldenchrome »

AllegedAlec wrote: post #70
russdpale wrote: post #17

Literal definition of failing upwards. He isn't a boy genuis, he copied code from japanese websites and then fostered one of the most toxic communities in human history. At google, he took a job from someone who was almost certainly way more qualified, both technically and morally.

Holy shit imagine this salty about a guy who admined a Czechoslovakian turnip farming forum.

Imagine being salty about a guy who rarely posted on a Martian chicken breeding forum

Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by moksly »

moate wrote: post #69
moksly wrote: post #41

It’s interesting to see how Moot gets the blame for the all the things that happened after he sold off 4chan. Especially when you consider how anonymous and the occupy movements were all the rage among woke leftists a few years back, and they originated from 4chan.

1- who the hell is "Moot"? 2- Back in the moot-run days of 4chan, it really was a completely different world. All the weird meme-culture we have now started there. /b/ was both the greatest and worst thing simultaneously. You had literal nazis and neckbeards working together to dox pedos. It was just a completely different place from what it's become all these years later.

I think the internet is just different. Content creation has become something people do in pursuit of profit rather than something they do out of interest or just the lulz.

People don’t spend 9 days creating the perfect YTMND thing because they can spend that time on Instagram, YouTube or whatever in pursuit of enough fame to create a career out of it.

The only reason we still have so many memes and so many (less than an A4 page) blog posts is because of how little effort it requires with modern tech.

I think 4chan is actually one of the places that has changed the least. I mean, /b/ without talented users is just 100% shit instead of only being 99% shit, but /tg/ is exactly the way I left it a decade ago.

Re: 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google

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Post by at_a_remove »

okareaman wrote: post #77

I've spent a fair amount of time on 4chan/pol/ for over a decade and my opinion is moot is a decent guy who sold it after he tried to reign in GamerGate and was loudly criticized on the site for it. I don't think Google would have hired him if it weren't for that redeeming quality. I'm fascinated by 4chan because it is a kind of underground United Nations. It's anonymous so people around the world can express themsel…

I have been on 4chan since at least '05, according to my files. The way people write about it is just ... such a Rorschach blot. Just as an example, that "redeeming" word you used, I would have said "damning." I watched the spin machine rev up like a centrifuge before that really hit the press, I read the ZoePost early on and thought Depression Quest was just awful before I knew word one about who wrote it.

There's so many boards, each with its own culture, but people get out of it whatever bugbear they desire.

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