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Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by camgunz » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

hinkley wrote: post #63

camgunz wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fundamental design principle is that full black is unnatural. It's like, point three on "I don't know anything about design, give me a quick list" articles. And it's pretty true, frankly. Making text a little more navy or gray makes a big difference. Sure people have eyesight issues and not everyone has a great monitor, but most people prefer it this way.

Very true, however better has chosen #444 whereas #333 seems to work a bit more consistently. One thing you should always consider during the requirements phase of a web application is whether your app is likely to be used projected on a conference room wall. Things like contrast and fonts make huge differences in such hostile settings, and available screen real estate is also considerably limited.

Great point yeah. I also think it should be easier to tell browsers to make text high contrast, design be damned. Fundamentally it's an accessibility issue.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by blacktriangle » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

ngokevin wrote: post #28

Alright, now try building a business on this.

Design is cyclical, and we're already seeing more leading-edge content types pushing back to leaner design. Medium is almost an example of a business that started out like this but has since exploded into shit. I've been seeing Gemini coming up more and more as well so people are becoming aware of the issues with modern web "best-practices."

So yes, maybe it is time for somebody to build a business on this.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by lelandbatey » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

rkangel wrote: post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

Join the contrast rebellion and demand high-contrast text: https://contrastrebellion.com/

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

hardwaregeek wrote: post #42

The overly curse happy programmer speak is so very stale. I'm not offended or anything but it's just not that great. It doesn't make the content more interesting. It doesn't make the author seem any cooler. It's just meh. It reminds me of Epic Meal Time; a facade of coolness based on cursing, alcohol and over the top food. I love that instead of this style we're getting a new generation of programmers who are genuine…

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Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by camgunz » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:55 PM UTC

not2b wrote: post #77

camgunz wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fundamental design principle is that full black is unnatural. It's like, point three on "I don't know anything about design, give me a quick list" articles. And it's pretty true, frankly. Making text a little more navy or gray makes a big difference. Sure people have eyesight issues and not everyone has a great monitor, but most people prefer it this way.

Slightly greyer is OK, but if you give up most the contrast and use a small font, a large fraction of the population will find your site hard to read. There are way too many low-contrast web sites out there.

Yeah that's true. Cynically I think this problem will solve itself as millennials age.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by marzell » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

rkangel wrote: post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

Maybe unexpected for you, but not everyone agrees that more contrast is always better. I specifically choose color schemes in application I use that have less contrast as that seems better for me. There is certainly a point where contrast is objectively too high, and increases in monitor contrast and the increased use of HDR monitors make this more of an issue these days.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by peter_retief » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

Markdown is the way to go most of the time.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by sebastien_b » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

plzbo wrote: post #15

Why would you censor the word motherfucking?

Especially given that the shown URL isn’t.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by paulryanrogers » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

mr_cyborg wrote: post #20

progval wrote: post #8

> And did you let the browser choose the font? Don’t make me read such text with Times New Roman. I don't understand this attitude. If you don't like Times New Roman, why don't you change your browser's default font? What I don't like is when websites tell my browser to use a different font or different colors than the ones I configured. (Off-topic, but something that really annoys me is websites that make text in ve…

Serifs can be a good thing for readability! I don’t know that the creator’s choice to force sans-serif was ideal here.

When I was taught design in the early oughts they said serif for print and sans for screens. I think it had to do with rendering at lower resolutions and small screen sizes.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by kuschku » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

munchbunny wrote: post #62

rkangel wrote: post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

> Yes I know the art theory stuff about never using black because it doesn't appear naturally. I think the underlying reasons for that are underappreciated. When you pick #000000 for your text color, people won't see it as pure black anyway. Imperfections in your screen's backlighting aside, your screen reflects the ambient lighting, or, if you're outdoors and pointed the wrong direction on a sunny day, your screen r…

On a good monitor, the color contrast between #ffffff and #000000 is far beyond the contrast possible in nature. No reflective material can reach those colors or that contrast.

That color contrast is perfect for a game, a movie or an image. But you don't want the feeling of something as bright as looking into the fucking sun mixed with the darkness of the deepest starless night. That's just painful, both in light mode and dark mode.

Just calibrate your monitor correctly, increase your contrast if your monitor can't even display Rec.709 sRGB, instead of compensating for your shitty monitor by making your website painful for anyone with a good monitor.

EDIT: this comment puts it very well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26741285