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Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by rwmj » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 1:37 PM UTC

BlueTemplar wrote: post #79

lwansbrough wrote: post #72

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End users don’t care about decentralization — it’s not a feature, it’s an implementation detail. Unless PeerTube beats competitors on UX (both for viewers and creators), why use it?

Creators have been pissed off about ContentID for nearly a decade now, but until recently there wasn't a good enough alternative to YouTube.

PeerTube doesn't even help there, it just means that innocent end users will be hit with DMCA notices. In a way it's worse than BitTorrent because at least with BT you could make some kind of argument that end users knew they were doing something illegal (even if that argument was dubious). Now you'll have people visiting a website that looks a lot like Youtube and getting DMCA notices because of some background music in a video they were watching.

(For the avoidance of doubt, I think PeerTube is great technology and I hope it wins, I just don't think it has any chance of supplanting Youtube any time soon).

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by vanviegen » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

makapuf wrote: post #36

toxik wrote: post #32

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Interesting challenge Smallest demo that compressed to the largest video file

Cat /dev/random?

That would actually be really easy to replicate in such a way that no human could tell the difference.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by elliekelly » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 2:02 PM UTC

dt3ft wrote: post #46

kaszanka wrote: post #4

Very, very surprising considering the trash that's allowed to stay up on Twitch.

I have seen plenty of almost naked girls on twitch frontpage. This is borderline prostitution and should have no place on twitch, a platform built for and made popular by gamers. I really hope twitch gets a worthy competitor soon.

Are “almost naked” women (almost naked girls would be problematic and possibly illegal) playing video games not gamers? It seems to me they are. And since twitch is a platform “built for and made popular by gamers” it seems to me twitch was built for and made popular by people just like them.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by ddtaylor » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

rwmj wrote: post #81

BlueTemplar wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creators have been pissed off about ContentID for nearly a decade now, but until recently there wasn't a good enough alternative to YouTube.

PeerTube doesn't even help there, it just means that innocent end users will be hit with DMCA notices. In a way it's worse than BitTorrent because at least with BT you could make some kind of argument that end users knew they were doing something illegal (even if that argument was dubious). Now you'll have people visiting a website that looks a lot like Youtube and getting DMCA notices because of some background musi…

Has anyone visiting PeerTube been hit with a DMCA notice? I'm curious please provide any links you have to articles.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by rwmj » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

ddtaylor wrote: post #84

rwmj wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PeerTube doesn't even help there, it just means that innocent end users will be hit with DMCA notices. In a way it's worse than BitTorrent because at least with BT you could make some kind of argument that end users knew they were doing something illegal (even if that argument was dubious). Now you'll have people visiting a website that looks a lot like Youtube and getting DMCA notices because of some background musi…

Has anyone visiting PeerTube been hit with a DMCA notice? I'm curious please provide any links you have to articles.

I doubt it's popular enough for any of these parasite legal companies to bother right now. That can change if it becomes popular. No I don't have any links.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by BlueTemplar » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 3:18 PM UTC

rwmj wrote: post #81

BlueTemplar wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creators have been pissed off about ContentID for nearly a decade now, but until recently there wasn't a good enough alternative to YouTube.

PeerTube doesn't even help there, it just means that innocent end users will be hit with DMCA notices. In a way it's worse than BitTorrent because at least with BT you could make some kind of argument that end users knew they were doing something illegal (even if that argument was dubious). Now you'll have people visiting a website that looks a lot like Youtube and getting DMCA notices because of some background musi…

Depending on the country, getting hit with a DMCA notice carries more or less weight. The ones sending the notice might also need to be very clear about what you did wrong. And a notarized letter is less easily prone to spam and abuse than a message inside YouTube's system. And you'll be probably able to win in court if the claim is spurious.

Much better than the current situation with YouTube's ContentID where the presumption of innocence is routinely violated, not to mention all the other issues : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trIn90HTqKs

(Also, the way the current ContentID might be violating European laws deriving from Article 13, but I haven't really been following that lately...)

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by whizzter » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 3:51 PM UTC

zokier wrote: post #78

provodjl wrote: post #25

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Demos outside of small sized intros usually still work with traditional mesh geometry, so RTX could have been helpful at least there. It's just not that many people are doing big demos anymore. For small intros it's almost as you say -- RTX is mostly uninsteresting and not that helpful for current status quo at least on the surface. However, while SDFs are do indeed provide a relatively cheap and intuitive way to spe…

I was fearing that Vulkan might be bit verbose for small intros (like e.g. 4k)... Do you happen to know if DirectX (DXR) is as bad these days?

Vulkan is just overkill for 4k, apart from music most 4k's these days is just a 1(sometimes 2) shaders with a TINY OpenGL/d3d loader stub to kick them off (basically compile the shaders, and setup and render a quad over the full screen).

I was playing around with mesh-gen for 4k back in 2010 and you'd eat up most of your budget before even rendering, this is why SDF based raymarching reigns supreme for 4k intros (and are quite popular for larger categories as well).

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by slightwinder » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 4:36 PM UTC

Grollicus wrote: post #76

slightwinder wrote: post #22

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At the moment there are 3 somewhat known hot tube-streamers on twitch, and they are brought up by the haters all the time. Which is kind if a joke, considering that there are >1 million others streamers at the same time. I'm curious how bad twitchs bubble-effect must be for people to be so limited in their experience.

Currently when I visit twitch of the 4 streams they recommend me ( https://www.twitch.tv/directory/following ) they show: - some sleeping stream "HE WOKE UP widepeepoHappy !SUBATHON !GIFTCAP DON'T FORGET TO SUBSCRIBE :)" - hot tub stream 1 "HOT TUB BIKINI TRY ONSUBATHONSHAMELESS!IG: amouranth!socials" - league of legends tournament "GEN vs T1ㅣ2021 LCK Spring PLAYOFFS Round 2" - hot tub stream 2 "CUTEST HOT TUB GIRL ™…

Then remove them from your recommandations if you don't like them.

Twitch has no way to figure out the content of a stream, so the recommandations are mostly based on indirect data, like category and social overlapping between streamers and viewers. If you have the two top boobie-streamers in your recommendation, then usually there is a stronger connection between them and your prefered bubbles.

But on another point, you proove what I wrote. It's always the same 2-3 names which appear in those complains.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by provodjl » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

Toaster-King wrote: post #42

provodjl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demos outside of small sized intros usually still work with traditional mesh geometry, so RTX could have been helpful at least there. It's just not that many people are doing big demos anymore. For small intros it's almost as you say -- RTX is mostly uninsteresting and not that helpful for current status quo at least on the surface. However, while SDFs are do indeed provide a relatively cheap and intuitive way to spe…

Are you the same provod[1] that's adding Vulkan and rtx support to Xash3D/Half Life 1? [1] https://www.twitch.tv/provod

yes

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by provodjl » Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

zokier wrote: post #78

provodjl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demos outside of small sized intros usually still work with traditional mesh geometry, so RTX could have been helpful at least there. It's just not that many people are doing big demos anymore. For small intros it's almost as you say -- RTX is mostly uninsteresting and not that helpful for current status quo at least on the surface. However, while SDFs are do indeed provide a relatively cheap and intuitive way to spe…

I was fearing that Vulkan might be bit verbose for small intros (like e.g. 4k)... Do you happen to know if DirectX (DXR) is as bad these days?

i don't know a thing about modern directx :D (the intros i work on are almost always developed on linux and only then ported to windows for official/party release)