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'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by tasogare »

surajama wrote: post #75
tasogare wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You won’t have to imagine long, in Canada one can now be imprisoned for using the (in)correct pronoun of a relative, so the CCP model might be globalized sooner than we expected. Each country have his legalized taboos, and those we had in the West aren’t more ridiculous than the Chinese one. Free speech should prevail.

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identi... “could someone go to jail for using the wrong pronoun? In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act.”

Time will tell... For the moment an arrestation over a trivial matter like this is a very big deal. Also the red guards are actively brigading here, elsewhere on the net and irl to impose their cultural revolution, in addition of hijacking the legal system, so the comparison with communist China is very apt.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by thitcanh »

logotype wrote: post #54
newbie578 wrote: post #28

Let’s see how long it takes until the brigade arrives and starts saying how America is bad, and China does no wrong. :)

It doesn’t take long. And it’s always familiar usernames who continues to spread lies and misinformation. The CCP is a virus and need to be deleted from earth.

So Trump was right at calling it the China virus. /s

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by dirtyid »

Aperocky wrote: post #68
guardiangod wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious difference is that US citizens elected its Congress representatives, while the PRC 'assigns' the majority of the electors in the Hong Kong parliament. Also while the official death count is low, there are many protestors who simply vanished from HK.

> simply vanished Source?

Mostly social media conspiracy theories.

From US State Department itself on the situation in Hong Kong [0].

>There were no credible reports that the government or its agents committed arbitrary or unlawful killings.

This is China-Hawk Mike Pompeo's state department BTW, report released in 2020 well after protests ended. If Pompeo couldn't find mystery murders, it probably doesn't exist.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-country-reports-on-human-... [0]

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by alasdair_ »

Aunche wrote: post #73
alasdair_ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keep in mind that they're stuck with the Hong Kong police even if they are allowed to become independent It’s worth noting that a lot of the “Hong Kong police” that were involved in breaking up protests seemed to come from the mainland and only spoke mandarin, not cantonese. Edit: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908... is one of many sources

This is complete hearsay. If China could so easily violate one country, two systems, they wouldn't have cared about a formal extradition bill to begin with.

There are dozens of videos. Google “hong Kong police only speak mandarin” if you want sources. Here is one of many: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908...

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by jimworm »

The whole point of "not splitting" is a lesson learned in 2014, to continue showing support for the goals no matter the methods seen in protest. Nobody knew whether another in the group is an agent provocateur or a genuine radical. Nobody knew who were throwing the molotovs. Nobody even thought that the protest was likely achieve any its goals. The only thing that could not be faked is the sheer volume of people showing up; nobody could pay that many people to show up at a protest.

Therefore the only thing they could do is to keep showing up in support of the demands for as long as they could personally afford to do so, and try not to pay attention to the methods of others when they already knew that all methods were probably going to fail.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by Aunche »

alasdair_ wrote: post #84
Aunche wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is complete hearsay. If China could so easily violate one country, two systems, they wouldn't have cared about a formal extradition bill to begin with.

There are dozens of videos. Google “hong Kong police only speak mandarin” if you want sources. Here is one of many: https://twitter.com/AmyWong01217912/status/11822963227720908...

That tweet is exactly what I mean by hearsay. A few clips cherrypicked from thousands of hours of footage, showing a police officer speaking a few words in the second most popular language in the area is not evidence that they're undercover Chinese officers.

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Post by tptacek »

tasogare wrote: post #70
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #67

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> in Canada one can now be imprisoned for using the (in)correct pronoun of a relative Source?

https://www.google.fr/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/03/18/man-arrest...

That's a specific court order involving a specific parent and a specific child. There are all sorts of idiosyncratic orders like that, not just in Canada but in the US.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by luckylion »

jberryman wrote: post #80
luckylion wrote: post #59

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That would likely be even more extreme, wouldn't it? As far as I remember, the protests in HK were massive (as in 5-10% of the population in a single event).

10s of millions of people participated in protests last summer in the US. 700k is 10% of HK population. Both are extraordinary, it's not obvious to me who should win the "most well-behaved protest movement" award

I wasn't aware that there was a single protest event that included 10s of millions of people in the US. If you count all people that were involved in any protest during the last year, I'd expect the numbers in HK to be significantly higher still.

It's also not a competition, nobody is trying to diminish the US protests, but I don't think that events of a similar magnitude would have gone down as peaceful in the US.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by rdescartes »

MsMowz wrote: post #44

I'll try to strictly source my remarks and refrain from commenting on the political content of the HK demonstrations to keep this purely factual, as I think this could be a rather controversial thread; however, it's interesting how different the reception to these demonstrations is to the reception to the US Capitol riots and the BLM demonstrations of last year. Hong Kong demonstrators have stormed government buildin…

> To keep this in context, the current Hong Kong SAR government is democratically elected[6] according to the provisions of an international treaty signed by the PRC and the UK which took effect in 1997[7].

Democratically elected ? Note that hong kong functional constituency system is fully controlled by CCP.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_constituency_(Hong_...

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by lxe »

This is the kind of content I'd like to see less of on Hacker News.

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

There are other platforms (Reddit) where there's plenty of discussion around topics like this.

Not to say that HN should be a bastion of blissful techie ignorance, but it would be nice to be able to filter out sad, political, or controversial content.

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