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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#82All I can think of is the Simpsons gif of Mr Burns being alive because he has so many ailments they all cancel each other out. [0] https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/951930408261881856
Ah, The three stooges syndrome, whoop whoop whoop whoop!
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#83There has been a lot of (IMHO unsupported) speculation that the almost complete eradication of influenza in 2020 was due to competitive inhibition from SARS-CoV2. However, data I've seen suggests that rhinovirus is still circulating at its usual rate [1]. If it's true that rhinovirus is such a potent inhibitor of SARS-CoV2, at the very least, the interplay between SARS-CoV2 and other respiratory viruses is non-trivia…
question the dominant narrative concerning masks and respiratory viruses
My limited understanding of that narrative is that COVID19/SARS-CoV-2 needs larger droplets to spread, and thus common masks help. But other viruses may be able to spread further as aerosols and last longer on surfaces, thus common/non-fine-particulate-filtering masks may not help.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
But if you're not "weak", you could inadvertently spread it to someone who is "weak", and they could spread it to many other "weak" people, and then they all die and don't pass on their genes. It's true that this is a form of eugenics and natural selection, but it's not the kind that's compatible with the values of most humans.
Don't worry I'm not going to harm anyone just like Spanish flu ended in 2 years this pandemic will also end soon. I discussed months ago here on HN that looking legally causing someone's death without intent is not criminal because you had no intent of killing. Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea "A person commits an offense if he: intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual." I hav…
> I discussed months ago here on HN that looking legally causing someone's death without intent is not criminal because you had no intent of killing
Intentional killing is usually first degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter, depending on premeditation. Second (in some schemes third) degree murder (depraved indifference) and involuntary manslaughter, and negligent homicide all are crimes, and do not require intent to kill.
So, you are very, very wrong.
> I have no intent or knowledge that I'm going to harm anyone
The source you link notes that there are other levels of mens rea supporting criminal offenses (recklessness, negligence) as well as offenses which are not dependent on mental state at all (strict liability offenses.)
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#85There has been a lot of (IMHO unsupported) speculation that the almost complete eradication of influenza in 2020 was due to competitive inhibition from SARS-CoV2. However, data I've seen suggests that rhinovirus is still circulating at its usual rate [1]. If it's true that rhinovirus is such a potent inhibitor of SARS-CoV2, at the very least, the interplay between SARS-CoV2 and other respiratory viruses is non-trivia…
If I'm reading that chart right, it is the percentage of sicknesses caused by each virus type, not the rate of sickness in the population. So we don't have information in this chart on the absolute prevalence. The change in relative rates may suggest which measures are relatively more effective on different viruses, but doesn't help us analyze the effectiveness of the current narrative.
On the research presented in the original article, what predicted implications would this research have had for March 2020? I thought 2020 seemed like a fairly average year for colds up until March, when COVID spiked. Is that suggesting this benefit/effect weaker in a population than the test measures in a individual, or just that March could have been much worse across the world? (for example, was hypothetically Italy having a very low rate of colds at the time?)
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
"the tiniest creatures God in his wisdom put upon this earth" The writing is nice but flawed. Since War of the Worlds, we have advanced tremendously and no longer need intelligent design or creation myths to explain microorganisms. Reproducible, testable science demonstrates that in the primordial oceans, self-replicating molecules which were slightly better at self-replicating produced globules of matter capable of…
HG Wells would have been well aware of this, being an athiest of a kind we'd consider close to New Athiesm nowadays.
> athiest of a kind we'd consider close to New Athiesm
twitch
It's Atheism. "A-" as a negation like in apolitical, atypical, aseptic. And "theism" meaning "belief in god", same root as theology or theocracy.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
HG Wells would have been well aware of this, being an athiest of a kind we'd consider close to New Athiesm nowadays.
> athiest of a kind we'd consider close to New Athiesm twitch It's Atheism. "A-" as a negation like in apolitical, atypical, aseptic. And "theism" meaning "belief in god", same root as theology or theocracy.
I do not understand what you mean here.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
But if you're not "weak", you could inadvertently spread it to someone who is "weak", and they could spread it to many other "weak" people, and then they all die and don't pass on their genes. It's true that this is a form of eugenics and natural selection, but it's not the kind that's compatible with the values of most humans.
Don't worry I'm not going to harm anyone just like Spanish flu ended in 2 years this pandemic will also end soon. I discussed months ago here on HN that looking legally causing someone's death without intent is not criminal because you had no intent of killing. Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea "A person commits an offense if he: intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual." I hav…
Legality and ethics are two distinct things.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are leaning way too hard on point estimates of R0. The way people estimate R0 is noisy, and the error bars on these estimates are significant. It's fairly pointless to take any two papers and compare the values as if they're precise. This literature review has estimates of R0 for flu running from 1.06-3.4, and rhinovirus running from 1.2-1.83: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.04.20020404v... Given…
OK I've got a better idea: In the particular conditions we created in 2020, the Rhinovirus was better able to spread than the Flu. Why? Because people were on the lookout for fever (and other things like continuous cough etc). Flu causes fever, and anyone who got a fever and was sensibly-minded would self isolate at least for a few days until they got test results or until symptoms abated. Whereas Rhinovirus is much…
Could be. Covid is certainly more flu-like than rhinovirus-like. Kids were also not in school, and kids are historically a big spreader of influenza.
I generally think people look for "fancy" explanations for the trends, when simpler explanations (i.e. people weren't going to the doctor) work just as well.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I am about to get vaccinated with astrazeneca in half an hour ... but my counter argument would be: relying on vaccination and sterilisation too much, causes the immune system to be weak, too. Immune system needs practice, too.
I came to counter him with a joke, but the downvoters beat me to it. Anyways: The vaccine is more like going to the gym. We could continue our ancestor's practice of trying to run from lions, which was possibly better adrenaline practice, and even mostly successful. We might not be scientifically certain of the long-term side-effects of going to the gym, but I'll just rely on the gym nonetheless. And good for you goi…
Agreed.