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Re: Guess What: iCloud Uses Windows Azure Services For Hosting Data

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Post by felipemnoa » Thu, Jun 16, 2011, 2:43 AM UTC

Aqua_Geek wrote: post #76

felipemnoa wrote: post #57

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I'm talking about bugs in the Rails framework. I think very few people would like to be having to maintain an outdated framework. And for the ones that actually do decide to maintain a framework that they did not develop themselves it will cost them a lot of money.

> I'm talking about bugs in the Rails framework. I think skidooer was as well. > I think very few people would like to be having to maintain an outdated framework. And for the ones that actually do decide to maintain a framework that they did not develop themselves [...] How is maintaining an open-source framework that somebody else made different from maintaining a framework built in-house? At the end of the day, bu…

Well, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. When choosing a framework one of my criteria is that somebody else is doing all the work to maintain it so that I can benefit from their work. If I have to maintain it then what is the point? I'm trying to save time here, not add more time to my schedule.

Re: Guess What: iCloud Uses Windows Azure Services For Hosting Data

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Post by felipemnoa » Thu, Jun 16, 2011, 2:46 AM UTC

varikin wrote: post #79

felipemnoa wrote: post #58

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With all due respect, I don't know what you are talking about. Programs in 1.4 run fine in 1.5. Every time there is a new version of Java I install it in my machine and just continue working as usual. I would be really upset if I had to spend time trying to make everything work again with every new version. They deprecate methods and functionality but they do not remove it. Java is not that much older than Ruby/Rails…

1.5 did introduce at least one major backwards incompatible change. A new keyword which meant any variables named enum now broke the app. Installing a new Java version on your desktop to run some app is different than rolling out a new major version of JVM/language for an enterprise application. There is a lot that went into ensuring everything still worked, including all dependencies, and that performance was accept…

OK, I stand corrected. Still, that is almost insignificant. But yes, nobody is perfect.

Re: Guess What: iCloud Uses Windows Azure Services For Hosting Data

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Post by skidooer » Thu, Jun 16, 2011, 4:58 PM UTC

felipemnoa wrote: post #81

Aqua_Geek wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm talking about bugs in the Rails framework. I think skidooer was as well. > I think very few people would like to be having to maintain an outdated framework. And for the ones that actually do decide to maintain a framework that they did not develop themselves [...] How is maintaining an open-source framework that somebody else made different from maintaining a framework built in-house? At the end of the day, bu…

Well, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. When choosing a framework one of my criteria is that somebody else is doing all the work to maintain it so that I can benefit from their work. If I have to maintain it then what is the point? I'm trying to save time here, not add more time to my schedule.

You certainly make a valid point, but I must add:

Rails is a fast moving target because they are always looking for new ways to save you time. As I mentioned in a previous post, the Rails 1.0 API is painful compared to the current generation. You are saving massive amounts of time during development because the project has evolved so far.

Spending a few minutes patching a framework bug once every five years pales in comparison to the gains you are seeing in development time.

To each their own, but I'd rather have a framework that is better than have a framework that knows it could be better, but won't make the changes because it might break some several year old app.