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Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by mc32 »

donohoe wrote: post #79
redis_mlc wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pre-2010, the MSM was often wrong but only slightly biased: journalists made an effort to find 2 sources. Sure, owners and local real estate developers had a lot of influence. Today, the MSM is literally fake news that conforms to leftist/DNC dogma. See my other post in this thread for why. You can see this in the common use of narrative keywords like "no widespread election fraud" and "insurrection" across multiple…

"no widespread election fraud" But, there wasn't. This has been backed up in courts and by various gov and independent agencies - and then reported in the news. "insurrection" The Capitol was stormed. You can even watch the video. There is evidence of advance planning by some groups involved (see Proud Boys and Oath Keepers etc.). It disrupted sessions of the House and the Senate. VP was evacuated by Secret Service.…

The key is inserting “widespread” as a qualifier.

It’s like saying, did you steal a million dollars? No, I didn’t steal a _million_ dollars! (leaving blank they stole ten thousand thousand).

A member of the police force died. It’s uncertain he was killed.

If you listened to the media it was an armed insurrection. In reality it was a bunch of idiots a half dozen of whom had weapons. If you believed the media hundreds or thousands or armed goons were on the cusp of taking over government. It’s so far removed from reality but people believe that is what happened.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by sangnoir »

threatofrain wrote: post #65
walrus01 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The better question is, how many years ago, exactly, did Giuliani lose the last shreds of credibility he had remaining? He's the supposed origin of it, right? He claims he received it from some sole-proprietorship independent Mac repair shop, which has now conveniently vanished?

No, it didn't vanish! Tucker Carlson re-obtained it and has stated that he won't release it, out of consideration for Hunter Biden's low fortunes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXgO7L0rcAQ

I don't know what to think about the drama surrounding Tucker screaming "There is a conspiracy at UPS - they stole important Hunter Biden's documents because they don't want you to know the TRUTH!". Then UPS found the package they had lost and delivered it, and Tucker Carlson suddenly became full of compassion for Hunter Biden. It makes one go 'hmm?'

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by itsoktocry »

howeyc wrote: post #61

Greenwald is certainly biased, on the one hand he says this: > Think about that: to a CNN reporter, evidence-free assertions from the U.S. security state are tantamount to “confirmation.” That they really do think this way is nothing short of chilling. On the other hand, the laptop produced by Guliani (of which how he got it is weird) is taken as absolute gospel by Greenwald. I mean, question both sides at least??

>On the other hand, the laptop produced by Guliani (of which how he got it is weird) is taken as absolute gospel by Greenwald.

What do you mean "taken as gospel"? The laptop exists, the source of the emails confirmed. Is any of it meaningful or evidence of corruption? Who knows.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

threatofrain wrote: post #57
b215826 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you just compare yourself with Terry Tao? Or are you comparing Glenn Greenwald—a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist and one who helped Snowden tell his story—with crackpots who send Tao their papers?

A math amateur is not a crackpot. Being a non-professional means you have credibility issues, not mental issues. After all, a math amateur who is rejected by Tao doesn't necessarily think the math world is in conspiracy. I also would not presume that a math amateur would go on Tucker Carlson's show to talk about the deep state infiltrating the CIA and thwarting Donald Trump. https://youtu.be/l8pkCZBjgrk?t=252

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Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by bckr »

scarmig wrote: post #60
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #58

This takes a very Boolean attitude to truth. Like if I said "the current president of the United States 's family name is Bidden" then that's as false as "Santa Clause's middle name Elvis, is in tribute to his mother's favourite singer". But you could argue that there's measures by which one is more true than the other. In this case, these "lies" all seem to be vaguely within shouting distance of the truth, and his r…

It's at least somewhat odd that some lies are widely spread on Twitter and the media because they're true-in-spirit despite being false, while some truths are banned on Twitter and the media because they're false-in-spirit despite being true.

Err, can you go into more detail?

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by itsoktocry »

walrus01 wrote: post #40
masonic wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

supposed laptop And you say Greenwald has lost credibility?

Yes. The better question is, how many years ago, exactly, did Giuliani lose the last shreds of credibility he had remaining? He's the supposed origin of it, right? He claims he received it from some sole-proprietorship independent Mac repair shop, which has now conveniently vanished?

You comments here are representative of the issue.

Yes, Giuliani is a clown. Yes, the circumstances surrounding the laptop are suspicious, to say the least. But the laptop exists and has concerning emails of known provenance. And yet one "side" of the media continues to spread actual disinformation about it. For some reason you find that acceptable?

I mean, if Russian agents dropped the laptop off at Giuliani's office and said, "We broke into Hunter's hotel room and stole his laptop, check out his emails" that would be gross, and illegal. But if the contents demonstrated massive corruption, and were legitimate, I couldn't care less how the information was obtained.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by ishjoh »

donohoe wrote: post #8
mc32 wrote: post #6

It seems it’s a very corrupt institution and probably always has been. For a while there they made people believe them to be the “fourth estate” the defenders of the democratic faith, etc. Sadly, it seems it was all a rouse and a bullshit narrative. They are not defending the constitution in any way. All they care about is whatever happens to be their particular agenda at a particular point in time which may coincide…

Gonna disagree there. I’ve worked with journalists (am not one) and it’s not BS as you seem to suggest.

I've worked with journalists and like anything there were different types of approaches to journalism like there are different approaches to any human endeavor. The ones with the most integrity started with an idea for a story but did their best to follow the evidence, and never discarded facts because they didn't fit their preconceived notions.

The ones that people are typically frustrated with but get the most clicks from 'their' side, are the ones that have an idea for a story, write the conclusion first, and then only include facts that fit that conclusion. Alternatively they discard an article if the facts overwhelmingly disagree with their original conclusion.

YMMV

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by theknocker »

howeyc wrote: post #61

Greenwald is certainly biased, on the one hand he says this: > Think about that: to a CNN reporter, evidence-free assertions from the U.S. security state are tantamount to “confirmation.” That they really do think this way is nothing short of chilling. On the other hand, the laptop produced by Guliani (of which how he got it is weird) is taken as absolute gospel by Greenwald. I mean, question both sides at least??

I’ve never seen any indication than he takes the laptop as gospel. Can you support this assertion at all? (I ask that question disrespectfully.)

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by anextio »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #43
refurb wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you don’t understand why he left. The agreement at The Intercept was that reporters had editorial control. That worked fine until Glenn decided to write about the Hunter laptop. Suddenly that rule went out the door. Suddenly the article had to be revised or else. I mean, if you employer promised to do something important and then reneged, isn’t leaving a pretty reasonable thing to do?

The Intercept obviously had a rather different take[1] In Short Greenwald had full control about his opinion pieces. What he wanted and didn't get is no editorial intervention in a piece of factual reporting. No half way sane media outlet would ever allow that. [1] https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...

This is wrong and a total mischaracterization. It *was* an opinion piece that they blocked:

From Greenwald's resignation blog post [1]:

> The latest and perhaps most egregious example is an *opinion column* I wrote this week which, five days before the presidential election, is critical of Joe Biden, the candidate who happens to be vigorously supported by all of the Intercept editors in New York who are imposing the censorship and refusing to publish the article unless I agree to remove all of the sections critical of the candidate they want to win.

Additionally, the emails he published between himself and the editors indicates specifically the claims they wanted him to remove, which did not include any factually inaccurate claims [2]:

> But your memo *doesn't identify a single factual inaccuracy*, let alone multiple ones. And that's why you don't and can't identify any such false claims. And that, in turn, is why your email repeatedly says that what makes the draft false is that it omits facts which -- as I just demonstrated -- the draft explicitly includes.

[1] https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-int...

[2] https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-edito...

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Post by donohoe »

mc32 wrote: post #81
donohoe wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"no widespread election fraud" But, there wasn't. This has been backed up in courts and by various gov and independent agencies - and then reported in the news. "insurrection" The Capitol was stormed. You can even watch the video. There is evidence of advance planning by some groups involved (see Proud Boys and Oath Keepers etc.). It disrupted sessions of the House and the Senate. VP was evacuated by Secret Service.…

The key is inserting “widespread” as a qualifier. It’s like saying, did you steal a million dollars? No, I didn’t steal a _million_ dollars! (leaving blank they stole ten thousand thousand). A member of the police force died. It’s uncertain he was killed. If you listened to the media it was an armed insurrection. In reality it was a bunch of idiots a half dozen of whom had weapons. If you believed the media hundreds…

I stand by what I said. The media reports are based on extensive first-hand evidence, coverage, social media.

I do not need MSM to tell me that an insurrection was happening. I see it for myself.

And here you are down-playing, ignoring facts, ignoring the other points I made that counter yours, and generally being mis-leading.

I think you should refresh your history. Often it can be opportunistic armed goons that topple governments.

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