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Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

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Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#81
post #59

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Why even be part of these communities? It's possible to buy cryptocurrency and avoid all the hype and negativity.

The point of a currency is to enable a society . A frequent claim about cryptocurrencies is that they can enable a better society than fiat. The proof is in the pudding.

Are you saying in your _better_ _society_ a-holes don't get money?! I'm in!

Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#82
post #57

The NFT fad has definitely turned me off as it seems totally bonkers, also the fact that the problem BTC is supposedly solving constantly changes based on whatever gets people to put money into it. Add to this exchanges / tether printing manipulating the price and i'm pretty bearish on BTC and crypto right now, seems like the only problem they are trying to solve is "how can I become ludicrously rich by writing some…

> constantly changes Suggested correction: "is constantly being expanded and added to"

The bitcoin community often removes things from the list. I remember the days when bitcoin was supposed to be a revolutionary platform for microtransactions...

Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#83
post #19

The community around Bitcoin is one of the most toxic. It's the main reason I haven't bought, and won't buy, any BTC (regardless of the fact I think the tech is completely subpar). Having said that, there's plenty of really great communities around crypto that shouldn't be pooled together along with Bitcoin. Nano, for example, is probably the most hated altcoin by Bitcoin maximalists (probably because they feel threa…

No coiners are pretty damn toxic. I have friends that will clutch pearls over Bitcoin's energy usage (strange how they've consistently hated BTC since well before that became a talking point), yet will happily take 5 international vacations a year and have the carbon footprint of a medium sized town.

Faux righteous indignation is one of the most toxic takes around.

Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#84
Bitcoin isn't claiming that it takes corruption out of the human psyche. Corrupt people stay corrupt. All bitcoin does is take unfounded trust away from individual organisations and governments, and instead puts that trust in maths and the collective. It never claimed that it will combat corruption, and likely never will.

NFTs are definitely switching me off from cryptocurrencies as I find the use of it ridiculous. Sure there are _some_ genuine use cases, but so far it's just been terrible, and does not fill me with confidence. Time will tell if NFTs are gonna become anything that's not silliness among the rich.

Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#85
post #31

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Those engineers are so smart they refuse to scale Bitcoin.

No, they built some of the most well thought scaling solutions in forms of layer 2 (payment channels, lightning network, zk-rollups) and many other solutions like sharding, etc. You 're the one who refuses to see those solutions.

Please send me $3.00 via Lightning Network and I will agree whole-heartedly.

Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#86
post #19

The community around Bitcoin is one of the most toxic. It's the main reason I haven't bought, and won't buy, any BTC (regardless of the fact I think the tech is completely subpar). Having said that, there's plenty of really great communities around crypto that shouldn't be pooled together along with Bitcoin. Nano, for example, is probably the most hated altcoin by Bitcoin maximalists (probably because they feel threa…

>The community around Bitcoin is one of the most toxic.

The issue I have (and for me it applies to crypto in general) is how difficult it's to take even the most banal statements made about it at face value. That's not to say I'm a complete sucker and don't do my research. More that I find it considerably harder to find authorities I can trust (for want of a better word) on the subject than I might with some other piece of tech.

Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#87
post #77

The NFT fad has definitely turned me off as it seems totally bonkers, also the fact that the problem BTC is supposedly solving constantly changes based on whatever gets people to put money into it. Add to this exchanges / tether printing manipulating the price and i'm pretty bearish on BTC and crypto right now, seems like the only problem they are trying to solve is "how can I become ludicrously rich by writing some…

I'm not sure I understand the hate for NFTs. Don't get me wrong, the concept of NFT as currently used is completely absurd and definitely overhyped. But what is bad about it? People who spend their money on NFTs mostly do it because they got rich in the past few years gambling on BTC or ETH, and now use that money to basically tip the artists they like. Or they plan to resell the token at some point, which is pure sp…

It's just indicative of the fact that we're 20 years into the blockchain, and the only real use case seems to be "acquire garish amounts of wealth from nowhere."

Something everyone wants for sure, but if that's all it is, the party's gonna stop someday.

Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#88
post #19

The community around Bitcoin is one of the most toxic. It's the main reason I haven't bought, and won't buy, any BTC (regardless of the fact I think the tech is completely subpar). Having said that, there's plenty of really great communities around crypto that shouldn't be pooled together along with Bitcoin. Nano, for example, is probably the most hated altcoin by Bitcoin maximalists (probably because they feel threa…

>The community around Bitcoin is one of the most toxic. It's the main reason I haven't bought, and won't buy, any BTC (regardless of the fact I think the tech is completely subpar).

In that case "Have fun staying poor"

Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#89

I have thought about this with Bitcoin: if the protocol and potential capabilities are so interesting, why is 99% of the conversation related to Bitcoin about the current price. It does make me believe that greed is the predominant driver of most Bitcoin holders, which to me makes the whole concept a lot less principled than people pretend it is.

>why is 99% of the conversation related to Bitcoin about the current price.

People like to talk about money. Reminds me of this: https://xkcd.com/1138/

Re: Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely

#90
I agree with most of this article except the part about fractional reserve banking. All fractional reserve banking means is that banks are allowed to loan out their customer's money. People have known this to be more economically efficient since the Middle Ages. If you're not using your money, it's better in the hands of someone actively using it to conduct a commercial transaction.

Without a central bank to print out money, it's unlikely for there ever to be a fractional reserve banking system in Bitcoin. Any large scale bitcoin bank exit event would completely crash the bitcoin economy.

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