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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

edrxty wrote: post #35
kart23 wrote: post #20

I agree that you have to be essentially anonymous to take part in counterculture these days. But the author claims that Discord and Reddit are examples of counterculture. I wholeheartedly disagree, these platforms are overly sanitized, moderated by the company, not the community. On Discord, people get banned for empty mass reports, and they can delete servers as they please. Reddit is valuable for driving communitie…

Further, reddit is built from the ground up to force consensus. Counterculture cannot exist on the site by definition, as anything prevalent on the site is there by consensus.

So is HN and any other platform with where upvote/downvote is the primary factor in the algorithm.

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Post by NotChina »

bitwize wrote: post #53
mdoms wrote: post #10

The truth is that today the counter-culture is the right wing dudes (and ladies) who won't be beholden to trigger warnings, won't treat particular words as if they have magical powers and won't try to get you fired if you openly believe that male and female are real concepts. If your cursor is hovering over the downvote button right now then that's natural - counter culture isn't popular. By definition.

No, that's not the counterculture. Those are just bigots butthurt by the fact that society is starting to enforce norms of human decency which the counterculture has promoted through example for decades. Meanwhile a child who stands up for trans people is being censored. As in, actual censorship, by the government: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/canc...

Same words were said in the 70s and 80s of non-christian/conservatives. They were absolutely adamant about their "norms" as the standard.

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Post by thepasswordis »

pjc50 wrote: post #40
thepasswordis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely correct. Consider: your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, your teachers are left leaning, the government is left leaning. How on earth could the "counter culture" be the hegemonic culture of the most powerful billionaires on earth, and the people who have the most power over the most people in their daily lives (HR departments for adults, school administrators for ch…

> your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, the government is left leaning .. if you think this, your definition of left leaning is completely broken and your Overton window is in a very strange place.

Please explain how a democratic (political left) controlled Senate, House of Representatives, and Executive branch are not "left leaning", or how HR departments which have pseudo mandatory diversity training for their employees are also not "left leaning".

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Post by redisman »

pjc50 wrote: post #40
thepasswordis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely correct. Consider: your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, your teachers are left leaning, the government is left leaning. How on earth could the "counter culture" be the hegemonic culture of the most powerful billionaires on earth, and the people who have the most power over the most people in their daily lives (HR departments for adults, school administrators for ch…

> your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, the government is left leaning .. if you think this, your definition of left leaning is completely broken and your Overton window is in a very strange place.

Sounds like they mean `culturally "left"` ie. NYTimes-morality.

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Post by klyrs »

ALittleLight wrote: post #75
klyrs wrote: post #32

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LARPing with boffer swords is counterculture. Kink is counterculture. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is counterculture. You don't need to brandish a tiki torch to be sufficiently different -- but that's the loudest counterculture, and they're getting all the attention. I know of an ancient forum related to a counterculture intentionally not listed here, and it's ticking along just fine, thankyouverymuch. Of c…

I agree those things you mentioned aren't very popular, and possibly where you are the mainstream culture is different than where I am, but I don't see any of those things as counter-culture in the sense that none of them are opposed by the dominant culture. e.g. If it came out at work that you were a member of a group that fought with foam swords, had unusual sexual preferences, or were funny atheists, you wouldn't…

I think that FSM does satisfy your stricter definition of counterculture. Like the Church of Satan, one of the stated goals is to force legal examination of whether or not "freedom of religion" actually means "freedom to practice Christianity".

LARPing and kink also have some opposition by fairly mainstream religious-types. They're seen as counterculture, even if they don't define themselves that way. Sorry. Changing my mind on kink -- that's a really big umbrella. Some people get off on being shamed for whatever it is they're into. Those folk are only satisfied when seen as counterculture.

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Post by minikites »

thepasswordis wrote: post #83
pjc50 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, the government is left leaning .. if you think this, your definition of left leaning is completely broken and your Overton window is in a very strange place.

Please explain how a democratic (political left) controlled Senate, House of Representatives, and Executive branch are not "left leaning", or how HR departments which have pseudo mandatory diversity training for their employees are also not "left leaning".

Please explain how our entire culture flipped so thoroughly in the last 51 days to make it the dominant culture for 350+ million people.

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Post by rurp »

thepasswordis wrote: post #19
mdoms wrote: post #10

The truth is that today the counter-culture is the right wing dudes (and ladies) who won't be beholden to trigger warnings, won't treat particular words as if they have magical powers and won't try to get you fired if you openly believe that male and female are real concepts. If your cursor is hovering over the downvote button right now then that's natural - counter culture isn't popular. By definition.

You're absolutely correct. Consider: your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, your teachers are left leaning, the government is left leaning. How on earth could the "counter culture" be the hegemonic culture of the most powerful billionaires on earth, and the people who have the most power over the most people in their daily lives (HR departments for adults, school administrators for ch…

> Consider: your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, your teachers are left leaning, the government is left leaning.

You are doing an awful lot of generalizing from your own experiences. I have met a LOT of conservative managers and business owners, including more than a couple openly sexist and racist ones, who are doing just fine for themselves in life. The idea that conservatives are some sort of tiny suppressed minority is bonkers.

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Post by greenonions »

potta_coffee wrote: post #74
rsj_hn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eschewing social media is not a culture in and of itself, anymore than eschewing the telephone or TV is a culture. But it is an attribute that some cultures have. Cultures have to be based around the actual ways they do interact, whether in person meetings via church groups, in person hiking groups, bike riding, falconry, camping, whatever. Similarly many people prefer to use person-to-person communication such as te…

It seems somewhat counter-cultural to not have social media and tv, though rejecting those things doesn't define a culture. I've had visitors to my house that realize I don't have a TV and they assume I'm some kind of judgemental weirdo.

I don't own a TV and most people here don't seem to know how to react to this information. Often they don't seem to have considered the possibility that someone wouldn't own one. I haven't watched television for entertainment in a decade or so, so I only get references which I absorb through YouTube, Twitch. I wouldn't think of myself countercultural, but it shows just how conforming many people are without realizing.

Edit: by here, I'm referring to the Midwestern United States Edit 2: would > wouldn't

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Post by imaginationra »

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture.

Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing the "please look at me" game on Youtube etc.

Trailerjacked trailer for counterculture game that makes animations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrMEQPtMO4c

Scene from a counterculture animated feature film in progress made in a game engine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgMeIaqjRvY

Counterculture is not dead, its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in, because those sandboxes are lame as fuck.

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