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FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been on the Google Play version of K9 for years and I must say that it was perfectly fine. I changed to FairEmail as I thought having a very old version of an email client might not be ideal from a security perspective. At the moment the biggest change from my workflow is the UI, which looks better that the old K9. Now I am not switching to K9 F-Droid version just because I am lazy to configure everything again…

We had a HN thread a few weeks back on the K-9 Donations blog, basically the K-9 Play version is still the old client UI (but the betas are not 100% feature complete); you can opt-in to the K-9 beta on Play or F-Droid and get the new UI experience if some features like IMAP IDLE are not that important to you. (side comment, the new K-9 betas allow export/import of settings but not sure about the older version you're…

The old ones have export/import as well.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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Is anyone else getting this error on F-Droid? Download failed! The requested file was not found. https://f-droid.org/repo/eu.faircode.email_1518.apk How can I download this app? I use K-9 Mail at the moment, but I'd like to try this to see if it's any better.

Sometimes, the FDroid client errors out. Some steps I generally found helpful to fix this issue were: - Refresh the repos (pull down to refresh) - Reduce the caching thresold (Settings => Other (Bottom of the screen) => Keep Cached Apps) - Wait for a bit then try again You can also always download this directly from the browser.

I cleared F-Droid's cache and data. After an hour, I still can't download it :(

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMAP is not an email provider, it's just another protocol for reading your mail. It is the successor of POP3, having several key improvements. Somewhat like HTTP2 is to HTTP. If both your email provider and your client (aka mail reading software) support it, there really is no reason to use POP instead of IMAP.

Yes, I'm aware of IMAP as a protocol. My point has to do with the location and trust. I need to be able to trust the server as a point of mail storage. While I agree that POP still uses the server as a go-between, at least the mail doesn't reside on POP servers forever. Whereas with IMAP, if I have 25+ years of email I'd like to be able to view and archive and search, all of that has to sit at the server rather than…

I'm not at all educated on POP/IMAP but I always thought the deletion thing with POP was just by convention and there's nothing in IMAP preventing you from doing the same there.

getmail supports deletion as an IMAP client, for example.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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I was curious to see if FairEmail could work with OAuth without Google Play (I have a school Google account that does not allow me to log in without OAuth): https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-co... "OAuth for Gmail is supported via the quick setup wizard. The Android account manager will be used to fetch and refresh OAuth tokens for selected on-device accounts. OAuth for non on-device accounts…

Using both this and k9 without Google play or any Google. They work great. But both of them, no longer allow storing your mail and/or attachments on 'external' or SD card. That is frustrating. This anti feature, just started in the last few months.

Could be a new API that needs to be supported. I just downloaded another app (NewPipe) that let me specifically choose some new API that made its external storage permissions work.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in control of my server (host) which is a shared-hosting account. While it is possible for them to store copies of the email, it is much more cumbersome for them to do that than if I just had my entire IMAP store residing on their server. For POP copies to work, they would have to purposefully copy and store all the email, whereas with IMAP they would just need to query the data store.

Ah, so you do trust them. You trust that they are too lazy to take the initiative to keep a copy, but merely untrustworthy enough that they might sneak a peek if they can do so without having to put forth even the minor effort of making backups of the spool directories. Fair enough, but that strikes me as a very odd risk posture to take. Either your email privacy is valuable to you, in which case I would think you wo…

There are tons of situations where not having everything on the server is beneficial.

A hack will barely get them anything, neither a warrant or a bored employee.

Of course any of those situations could result in an active tap that stores everything. But that is orders of magnitude more effort and still doesn't get any history.

Just minimizing the attack surface.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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post #56

Am I the only one who can't make FairMail deliver mail faster than 15-20 minutes? The notification is on, the battery optimization for the app is off, still nothing. K9 actually receives the message earlier, despite not having a persistent notification.

Have you opened an issue for that behavior? I haven't looked at the repo's issue reporting policy, but my experience says that telling HN isn't nearly as effective as telling the issue tracker. I would be especially interested in knowing if that happens in a DeGoogled setup, versus on "normal" Android

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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post #67
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Is anyone else getting this error on F-Droid? Download failed! The requested file was not found. https://f-droid.org/repo/eu.faircode.email_1518.apk How can I download this app? I use K-9 Mail at the moment, but I'd like to try this to see if it's any better.

Sometimes, the FDroid client errors out. Some steps I generally found helpful to fix this issue were: - Refresh the repos (pull down to refresh) - Reduce the caching thresold (Settings => Other (Bottom of the screen) => Keep Cached Apps) - Wait for a bit then try again You can also always download this directly from the browser.

I got so fed up with the F-Droid client that I moved to Foxy Droid, which I ironically installed via F-Droid:

> Foxy Droid (Yet another F-Droid client) - https://f-droid.org/packages/nya.kitsunyan.foxydroid

I believe there are a few other clients too but I just like Foxy so far

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