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Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by 88840-8855 »

yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

Too funny to hear this when there is a hostile nation that has fought wars that lead to millions of deaths since ww2 in the name of freedom, a nation that uses exactly the same methods to spy on absolutely everything - the US has accessed the secret communication of the Soviet Union for many years -, a nation that has led to chaos in the middle east and in post soviet republics.

Sorry, but it is time that the world is sanctioning the united states in the way that you propose to sanction China that is finding back to its old strength.

best regards from a white person from europe, not a chinese.

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Post by Datagenerator »

exabrial wrote: post #50

What blows my mind is everyone is so concerned about Huawei and friends, and yet they still use Windows and other Microsoft products. Now _that_ is a true national security threat.

Microsoft and Google provide the government access to most homes and businesses. They are effective tools the government will keep close to the chest. Each and every keyboard input gets collected as technical telemetry data. It's the global version of the more upfront Workplace Analytics your empowered employer is scanning constantly as dwellers in shadows. All parties play Good cop Bad cop but are eating the fruits of the globalist technological emporia.

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Post by KirillPanov »

codetrotter wrote: post #7
yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

Yeah that sounds like a great idea. Ensure even more that no one inside of China will have access to information about human rights. And then the Chinese government can get to use propaganda against their own citizens even more effectively. There’s no way that could backfire. And there are no ethical problems with what you are suggesting either!

> Ensure even more that no one inside of China will have access to information about human rights.

That ship sailed long ago.

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Post by dragonwriter »

baybal2 wrote: post #65
dgellow wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few speculative ideas/thoughts: - The US needs access to China's goods to be viable. For half a century US companies improved their efficiency/competitiveness by moving their process to China. They now have too many dependencies in the form of Chinese manufacturing and development capabilities and do not have the skills/knowledge/talents/infrastructure in the US. Because of this China can dictate their rules with z…

> The US needs access to China's goods to be viable. No, it really isn't. The thing the US is indeed does very little for an economy of its size. Washington can slam fist on the table, and US industry will be out of China by tomorrow, without much impact at home besides no iToys this season, and few percents off its stock market. Lack of consumer goods would of course be upsetting, but people wouldn't die from lack o…

> Lack of consumer goods would of course be upsetting, but people wouldn't die from lack of them.

Lack of consumer goods means lack of jobs for people who transport, warehouse, and sell consumer goods.

Lack of jobs means lack of money to pay for things like food, shelter, medical care, etc, only some of which the US has adequate safety nets for.

People will, indeed, die from lack of consumer goods.

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Post by oarsinsync »

cameronh90 wrote: post #14
codetrotter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that sounds like a great idea. Ensure even more that no one inside of China will have access to information about human rights. And then the Chinese government can get to use propaganda against their own citizens even more effectively. There’s no way that could backfire. And there are no ethical problems with what you are suggesting either!

Maybe we should play the propaganda game too? Block most services and traffic but selectively allow things through that have propaganda value. Given the amount of suspicious Chinese devices and traffic, you'd imagine we should be doing something though?

> Maybe we should play

Who is 'we'? Chances are you live in a country founded in democratic principles. This means after each election, priorities change, based on the politicians that are voted into office.

Take the USA as a good example. The priorities of the 2008-2016 administration were undermined by the 2017-2020 administration, and the priorities of the 2017-2020 administration are being undermined by the 2021-now administration.

Both sides think they're right, and were doing what was right for the country. Both sides think the other was an existential threat to the nation, and use similar rhetoric to justify their actions.

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Post by KirillPanov »

dgellow wrote: post #40
bushbaba wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The us let’s Chinese firms generally speaking full access to the us market. The CCP doesn’t allow the us companies the same. Why our government let that happen. Letting so much business leave to the CCP will be one of the greatest failings of the us government.

A few speculative ideas/thoughts: - The US needs access to China's goods to be viable. For half a century US companies improved their efficiency/competitiveness by moving their process to China. They now have too many dependencies in the form of Chinese manufacturing and development capabilities and do not have the skills/knowledge/talents/infrastructure in the US. Because of this China can dictate their rules with z…

> China owns more than 1 trillion of US debt. ... they may start massively selling US debt, which would impact USD and the US economy.

We just printed four trillion dollars out of thin air and the sky didn't fall.

What makes you think that printing one quarter of that amount in order to sterilize a dump of treasuries will cause the sky to fall?

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Post by trhway »

mc32 wrote: post #33
Aunche wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has a significantly larger consumer market. A lot of people would complain if they were unable to import cheap goods from China.

Yeah but it means they don’t get paid as much either as there is no wage pressure at the bottom. You can’t have $5 T-shirts and also a $15 minimum wage.

>You can’t have $5 T-shirts and also a $15 minimum wage.

with $15 minimum wage there is no need for $5 T-shirts.

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by baybal2 »

vkou wrote: post #79
baybal2 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US needs access to China's goods to be viable. No, it really isn't. The thing the US is indeed does very little for an economy of its size. Washington can slam fist on the table, and US industry will be out of China by tomorrow, without much impact at home besides no iToys this season, and few percents off its stock market. Lack of consumer goods would of course be upsetting, but people wouldn't die from lack o…

Yes, it does. Run a political campaign on 'All the stuff you buy? I'm going to make it cost more,' and you will be slaughtered at the polls. People barely making ends meet aren't very interested in those kinds of political statements. You could, of course, try to lie to them about what the consequences of your policies are going to be.

You are correct, and this is America's, and West's predicament.

If you can't do this, you can't do this.

And you certainly wouldn't be able to do even more painful things which are truly needed for the West to have any chance to put the genie back into the bottle.

China, and Russia have effectively conditioned the NATO countries over the decades into "self-beneficial inaction." Now, seeing words like yours proves their strategy worked.

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