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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#81

I see nothing in this review that would make me choose the Intel part over a Ryzen 5800X.

Price is the biggest factor. You can get 10 cores with Intel for cheaper than 8 with AMD, plus with Intel you get integrated graphics as well which is really important right now considering the GPU shortage. Also, Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#82

Beaten by the 5800X in almost every test, unless AVX512 was used. Given the 7nm shortage at TSMC, Intel might still beat it in price / availability.

I find it really amazing that one of the things "saving" Intel at the moment is that TSMC is maxxed out on 7nm capacity ATM.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#83

I think at this point we're just waiting for Windows and Linux to be fully supported on the M1 or for ARM to come out with a system on a chip that's documented enough for Windows and Linux to make a port.

Windows on ARM is already working on M1 Mac through parallels. The big issue now is licensing and I assume some niceties in terms of official drivers/fine-tuning support.

According to recent videos, Windows in a VM on M1 Mac today has same or better performance than Windows on ARM running natively on Surface Pro X.

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/22/m1-mac-windows-parallel...

https://twitter.com/imbushuo/status/1332484912549687297?ref_...

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#84

I see nothing in this review that would make me choose the Intel part over a Ryzen 5800X.

Price is the biggest factor. You can get 10 cores with Intel for cheaper than 8 with AMD, plus with Intel you get integrated graphics as well which is really important right now considering the GPU shortage. Also, Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.

“Choose Intel because it’s cheaper than AMD” is one of those arguments that make you realise how quickly the world changes.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Isn't such a thing necessary as we see US presidents falling for (deep)fake media? Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer?

Not sure why this is downvoted, the questions are constructive for the thread. To add a question: why is it bad if it's an optional component? Nobody's forcing you to disclose that you shot a certain picture, unless I'm misunderstanding the concept here.

The endgame is to be able to have your fingerprint in every device you own, and it is not going to be optional. So that no matter if you uploaded a photo from your phone, an ipad, your PC - they will know it was you. It's going to be embedded at every level of the stack, from a file - right down to the silicon (if Intel's involvement is any indication). They want to know every piece of content you create and distribute, not so that they can trace it back to you - but also so that they can ultimate shut you down if you don't live up to their standard of "good citizen".

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Good thing nobody actually uses AVX512

Interestingly enough, the AVX512 test was the easy win for Intel. Nobody uses it because it wasn't available and, when available, wasn't much faster overall. Now it is.

Who both buys consumer desktop CPUs (without ECC) and runs software that can use AVX512? Games won't use avx512 (not really simd math heavy work on the CPU, and also consoles don't have it). Web browsers won't use AVX512 (similar to games - not really SIMD-friendly raw math computation limited). Video & photo editing maybe will, but GPU acceleration is already more widely available & faster than avx512.

What else does that leave?

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#87

I see nothing in this review that would make me choose the Intel part over a Ryzen 5800X.

Price is the biggest factor. You can get 10 cores with Intel for cheaper than 8 with AMD, plus with Intel you get integrated graphics as well which is really important right now considering the GPU shortage. Also, Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.

If I wanted more than 8 cores, the 12-core ryzen 5900X is $549, can you really get an intel 10-core cpu for the same price, or within 50 bucks plus or minus, that performs better?

I'm seeing the i9-10900K for $467, but in terms of dollars/performance per core I think it's still behind the ryzen which costs $82 more.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2132-amd-ryzen-5900x/

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…

> a basic motherboard is 300€ A 'basic' motherboard two weeks ago was the same as it is today, a low-end B550, and can be purchased for under 100€. The 10900 trades blows with the 3900x, particularly for multi-threaded, workstation-type workloads where the AMD part pulls ahead with its two extra cores. And the 3900x can be had around the same price as a 10900. So your "honest account" comes off as a little disingenuo…

I honestly just looked at both AMD's and Intel's latest generation and compared from there.

Still, point taken. If I didn't get burned by the whole ordeal with the 3700x I think I would've taken a second look at the AMD 3000.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…

What an odd experience. I haven't heard of anyone having similar experiences with Ryzen, including myself. Maybe you got some unusually finicky motherboard?

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#90

Saddest thing is that even this stopgap meh CPU will be outsold and you'll wait ages to get it.

*will be sold out

"will be outsold" has a different meaning, (which is likely also true for this processor, but not what you meant)

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