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Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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UT has more overbearing regulations than any other state. They are also far and away the most conservative state. Not all conservatives in the US are aligned with them, it’s just that the cult majority have regulatory capture.

> UT has more overbearing regulations than any other state Like what? Are you referring to alcohol laws? Because last I checked you could still by beer at the grocery store in Utah, but you cannot do that in Montgomery County, Maryland (most populous county of one of the bluest states).

Haha, not being able to buy beer in the grocery store or Costco was one of the biggest culture shocks for me moving to MD!

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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Government deplatforming and private industry deplatforming are vastly different things, especially at a Constitutional level.

Sure, but there have been proposed laws requiring deplatforming of hate speech, and some have even passed: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/tech/french-hate-speech-socia... Many keyboards have been worn out debating about the difference between the first amendment and free speech, but can we isolate to one case or the other here and set that issue aside in one thread?

> French parliament

C'mon.

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

#83
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UT has more overbearing regulations than any other state. They are also far and away the most conservative state. Not all conservatives in the US are aligned with them, it’s just that the cult majority have regulatory capture.

> UT has more overbearing regulations than any other state Like what? Are you referring to alcohol laws? Because last I checked you could still by beer at the grocery store in Utah, but you cannot do that in Montgomery County, Maryland (most populous county of one of the bluest states).

Honestly I like the 4% ABV limit on beer. It forces brewers to make interesting flavors, rather than just blowing you away with ludicrously high ABV masked in hops.

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

#84
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UT has more overbearing regulations than any other state. They are also far and away the most conservative state. Not all conservatives in the US are aligned with them, it’s just that the cult majority have regulatory capture.

> UT has more overbearing regulations than any other state Like what? Are you referring to alcohol laws? Because last I checked you could still by beer at the grocery store in Utah, but you cannot do that in Montgomery County, Maryland (most populous county of one of the bluest states).

You cannot sell alcohol unless it is beer and served with food or you are a private club.

You should also take a moment to review the state’s history of unconstitutional, and in some cases, atrocious, sexuality laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Utah

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

#85

Sounds fine; it's their culture and prerogative. Probably a benefit to deter such consumption for as many youth and young adults as possible, given the negative impact on mental health.

Who is 'they' in 'their culture'? And what is 'culture'? Religion?

Surely there are atheists in Utah who don't want to go on a government list of porn watchers.

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government deplatforming and private industry deplatforming are vastly different things, especially at a Constitutional level.

Sure, but there have been proposed laws requiring deplatforming of hate speech, and some have even passed: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/tech/french-hate-speech-socia... Many keyboards have been worn out debating about the difference between the first amendment and free speech, but can we isolate to one case or the other here and set that issue aside in one thread?

Which government and which people? The link's about French laws. The parent article is a state in the USA. Different beliefs in many areas.

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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I thought Utah was a GOP state? What happened to 'small government'? This seems like shoving gov't down your throat.

I in the long run you're doing your worldview a disservice by simplifying political parties into a single axis. Especially for Utah, which can be a bit of an outlier on moral issues due to the state's large LDS population

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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I understand the HN crowd may take issue with this, but the ease at which a child can stumble onto pornography or adult content is really scary. Even with google safe search, etc enabled. Growing up watching television in the US, you couldn't see topless women on public broadcast TV, let alone hardcore pornography.

> Growing up watching television in the US, you couldn't see topless women on public broadcast TV, let alone hardcore pornography.

Yes, and look how the US turned out. Immensely sexually repressed, zero sex ed in many states, and throwing a fit any time they see people who don't fit their perfect idea of what a couple looks like.

Ask yourself why you're so scared children might find porn.

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UT has more overbearing regulations than any other state. They are also far and away the most conservative state. Not all conservatives in the US are aligned with them, it’s just that the cult majority have regulatory capture.

> UT has more overbearing regulations than any other state Like what? Are you referring to alcohol laws? Because last I checked you could still by beer at the grocery store in Utah, but you cannot do that in Montgomery County, Maryland (most populous county of one of the bluest states).

Montgomery has bars and they have liquor stores.

Utah did requires a membership in a gentlemen club to drink in a public place. Perhaps this has changed.

You can't buy beer in grocery stores in every province in Canada either. But the amount of alcohol in beer is double the US.

Beer in grocery stores is a poor proxy for dem / rep

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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Doing that when building these devices at scale and handling support queries for it is probably not cheap. Most phone manufacturers don't allow retailers to tamper with the software on the phones/tablets (that opens up a can of worms in terms of security), so they'd have to do it very early, maybe even at the factory — which means earmarking which devices are bound to Utah. Responsible manufacturers (e.g. Apple) woul…

Every single phone manufacturer sans apple allows this. Ever heard of Verizon bloat ware? And yes, they will comply, 1) it’s the law, and 2) they won’t leave money on the table.

Device manufacturers don't have to follow random Utah laws: they can simply not sell phones in Utah and not have corporate operations there. Utah has 3 million people, it's not exactly a major population center. There are many cities in the world with more people than Utah.

And I'm pretty sure "Verizon bloatware" is not installed at point of sale. What would stop a random employee from installing keyloggers? This stuff is centrally managed.

They'd very likely be losing money by complying with such a law. They wouldn't be leaving money on the table, they'd be taking it off the table.

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