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Bitcoin Is Time

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Here's another good one (30 min read): Bitcoin is Venice https://allenfarrington.medium.com/bitcoin-is-venice-8414dda...

Funny, I pinned Bitcoin more as the type to honeymoon at the Maldives.

Bitcoin is a Venice, time, a Ponzi scheme, a climate disaster, digital gold, dead (x400), criminal, a bubble...

The half-baked hot takes that reach the frontpage of HN are getting better and better.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#82
post #22

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How is Bitcoin's admission exponential? Isn't it a stepped linear emission?

It's inverse exponentially approaching the 21 million limit, which it can never reach [1]. [1] https://medium.com/amberdata/why-the-bitcoin-supply-will-nev...

It's a stepped linear emission that mimics an inverse exponential emission. You can even see it in that chart if you expand it. Between the halving periods the emission is constant.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#83
post #8

Time is money. Bitcoin is wasted time. And wasted money. And wasted energy.

To be less glib, I think the article makes it clear just how inordinately difficult blockchains make their lives when they have to build, from scratch, a reliable definition of time. If you could have a trusted time source, you could at a stroke get rid of one of the most egregious flaws in bitcoin, its vast wastage of energy, because of its 'proof of work' mining. Bitcoin miners are running at full pelt 24/7, pickin…

I think you’re right on, but good luck with provable timestamps. You’re trying to coordinate and validate a measurement which in itself denies the reality of space time physics at least subtly. Time precision across space is hard enough, but adding bad actors and gravitational time dilation into the equation means... well I wouldn’t want that to keep track of my assets.

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post #66

Why are we still talking about bitcoin and first gen blockchain tech. Yes it's old, yes it's slow, yes it wastes resources. It is legacy software after all. PoS solves the problem of mining and wasted energy. Cardano's Ouroboros is a provable and secure Proof-of-Stake blockchain protocol. https://docs.cardano.org/en/latest/explore-cardano/relevant-...

> PoS solves the problem of mining and wasted energy.

For a value of "solves" that doesn't actually include anyone solving anything YET. Maybe in 18 months!

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#85
post #52

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I keep reading about how we need to discourage consumerism, wastefulness, mindless consumption. Recycle and reuse. Yet fiat enthusiasts keep parroting that the linear and intentional destruction of value through inflation, in order to encourage further mindless consumption, is a good thing? What is so bad about a currency that maintains its value throughout time? This would allow someone to actually save, rather than…

Every currency’s goal is to be stable in terms of value. The mechanics of achieving so are complicated though since you will need to exactly calibrate the supply of new money to match your economic activity. We are at the point where we don’t even agree what economic activity is lol.

Incorrect - central banks target inflation, such as 2%. The official goal is to lose 2% of value every year.

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#86
post #69

This is the article that made things finally click with me. Thinking about the pre-WWI gold standard and the issues that existed there and the improvements that Bitcoin brings around time, consensus, etc. The baseless negative comments with no interaction with the article content confirms for me that Bitcoin is on to something. Sour grapes syndrome is a result of pride, I think.

There is nothing baseless in saying that using 0.1% of the entire world's energy in order to do 3 transactions per second is beyond ludicrous, and an environmental disaster of massive proportions.

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post #8

Time is money. Bitcoin is wasted time. And wasted money. And wasted energy.

To be less glib, I think the article makes it clear just how inordinately difficult blockchains make their lives when they have to build, from scratch, a reliable definition of time. If you could have a trusted time source, you could at a stroke get rid of one of the most egregious flaws in bitcoin, its vast wastage of energy, because of its 'proof of work' mining. Bitcoin miners are running at full pelt 24/7, pickin…

> why then are the same people happy to use smart contracts where the use of centralised oracles is apparently both acceptable and commonplace?

This just isn’t true. Only a vanishingly small fraction of these people has ever touched smart contracts.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#88
post #9

Thank you for sharing this! I wrote a much shorter article on why I believe Grin is the closest to "time is money" here https://phyro.github.io/what-is-grin/grin_emission.html Bitcoin can be thought of as a clock, but the unit that is being transfered can't be thought as time because for it to be mappable to time, you need a linear function and Bitcoin's emission is exponential because of the halvings.

It’s about the number of blocks though, not the amount of the mining block reward. I think you are conflating two different things.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#89
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be less glib, I think the article makes it clear just how inordinately difficult blockchains make their lives when they have to build, from scratch, a reliable definition of time. If you could have a trusted time source, you could at a stroke get rid of one of the most egregious flaws in bitcoin, its vast wastage of energy, because of its 'proof of work' mining. Bitcoin miners are running at full pelt 24/7, pickin…

> The total energy usage would be reduced 600-fold! It wouldn't. If X$ worth of bitcoin is handed out every block, then miners competing for that prize are willing to collectively spend up to X$ per block on average. If they could only mine for part of the time, then they'd simply acquire more hardware and mine at a higher hashrate during the shorter time.

This is correct.
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