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Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by MrScruff »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #48
sid0 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because their platform is superior to everything else out there. This seems like opinion presented as fact. I've used iOS and currently own an Android phone, and there's no doubt in my mind that the Android UX is miles ahead of the iOS UX. Of course, I include things like a browser with sync to desktop (Firefox) in my definition of UX, since things like that affect the experience I have while using the product quite…

Sadly, you will find that HN tends to be very anti-Android from a UI perspective. Haven't you noticed the praise of the notification system and other changes to iOS that have existed in Android for ages. Or the obsession with iMessage despite the existence of Google Voice. At one point in time, iOS was prettier than Android. Too few HNers have actually used Froyo or Gingerbread to understand the UI improvements that…

Sadly, you will find that HN tends to be very anti-Android from a UI perspective.

I read comments like this a lot, and I don't really understand them. There is no such thing as HN, just a bunch of people posting with differing opinions - including yourself. There are plenty of Android die hards here just as there are Apple/iOS ones.

Also, people who post on HN tend to be passionate consumers and producers of technology. It's silly to pretend they don't understand the trade offs of permitting preemptive multitasking on a mobile device or the use of a back button.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by chrisjsmith »

phlux wrote: post #79
rimantas wrote: post #77

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> Trust me I know. I design hospitals and health systems. I doubt that would encourage more trust in you.

Im one of the people trying to fix this shit, not one who has made the current mess....

Good for you - the healthcare system (worldwide) needs more objective people like yourself. Good luck!

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by ThomPete »

sid0 wrote: post #39
ThomPete wrote: post #13

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Because their platform is superior to everything else out there. Because mobile apps is not even close to providing proper user experience. People expect snappy as hell execution on the iOS, the actual flow of the app is often more important than the looks. And in my experience the web apps just aren't there yet. Apple make no money on the app store it more or less goes to operations. You can call it a tax or you can…

Because their platform is superior to everything else out there. This seems like opinion presented as fact. I've used iOS and currently own an Android phone, and there's no doubt in my mind that the Android UX is miles ahead of the iOS UX. Of course, I include things like a browser with sync to desktop (Firefox) in my definition of UX, since things like that affect the experience I have while using the product quite…

When I talk about the platform I am talking about the whole lot. The ecosystem that ties it all together. Surely you won't argue that Google makes more money on mobile ecosystem than apple does on theirs.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by caf »

matwood wrote: post #76
recoiledsnake wrote: post #40

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Consumers don't know and don't care about it until it affects them. Apple has been picking on the small guys like Readability and Flow reader. https://www.iflowreader.com/Closing.aspx while silently approving updates to Kindle and Netflix. Let them go after Netflix and Kindle with the shakedown (June 30th is the deadline).

Let them go after Netflix and Kindle with the shakedown (June 30th is the deadline). What happens to the big boys will be telling. I don't think 30% across the board is going to stay. For a small developer the 30% is probably worth it to get into the store, a small amount of visibility, payment processing, and quick customer access. For the big content providers like NF, HBOGO, WSJ, NYT, Kindle, etc... who already sp…

It's entirely possible that they've already cut a deal with these guys... commercial-in-confidence, of course.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by crag »

dstein wrote: post #49
crag wrote: post #32

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What? MS lost to linux? The server (enterprise) market is the ONLY area where linux competes head-to-head with MS (or anyone really). And even in Enterprise there are plenty of MS shops. If you bring up the fabled "linux desktop" I'm gonna start laughing. Though I am impressed at what the folks at Ubuntu are doing. Also, when the iphone was first released Apple had no developer kit (API's). You could download guideli…

Microsoft long ago lost the mindset of developers. It's been a long time since I've met someone doing Windows-desktop software. All innovation appears to be happening outside of Microsoft technologies. MS fought for years (using IE) to make it as difficult as possible to build web applications and I'll spit up my milk if developers fall for it again by developing HTML/JS-based Windows 8 apps.

Ok I agree with that. Developers aren't doing any "new" development on Windows. It's all maintenance and release "upgrades" to generate revenue. And MS itself is doing this too (look at Office).

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by MatthewPhillips »

Steko wrote: post #58
cageface wrote: post #54

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Exposure in the app market only matters if you happen to crack into the top 25.

Or if someone ever searches for something like your app which happens sometimes: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=iphone%20business%2... Those are google searches but the same thing is undoutedly happening thousands of times a day in iTunes/App Store.

Fixed it for you to include web apps, just for 1 subset of business apps:

http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=iphone%20business%2...

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by masklinn »

Stormbringer wrote: post #71
mattmanser wrote: post #23

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We're really nowhere near it at all. The basic economics is that the app market and the exposure from actually being in the app market is just far too massive for that to happen. I'm also amazed at how often the myth that one day we'll all be using really crappy Html5 apps continues. Html5 compared to native apps done by an average developer just plain sucks, no amount of 'HTML5 web apps == AWESOME!' pretending and w…

The native apps done by average developers also suck. Going to HTML as your presentation layer doesn't suddenly and magically increase (or decrease) the sucktitude factor of the developers involved.

> The native apps done by average developers also suck.

The difference is that they suck fast, instead of sucking slow.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by masklinn »

phlux wrote: post #60
Steko wrote: post #51

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Meanwhile iOS is ... (wait for it) ... killing in medical: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Health-Care-IT/75-Percent-of-Physic...

Thats not the same thing. There is a difference between physicians loving the DEVICE and it being the right platform for a hospital. Trust me I know. I design hospitals and health systems. I love the iPad - but if you think that giving 30% of your margin and 100% of control to apple is the right idea - then you're wrong. Sure, there are a ton of one-off single use apps for iOS and most of them are fantastic - but the…

Why can't a hospital (a business) use enterprise deployment mechanisms for its core business deployments of iDevices? Rather than going through the "normal" AppStore?

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by sid0 »

ThomPete wrote: post #83
sid0 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because their platform is superior to everything else out there. This seems like opinion presented as fact. I've used iOS and currently own an Android phone, and there's no doubt in my mind that the Android UX is miles ahead of the iOS UX. Of course, I include things like a browser with sync to desktop (Firefox) in my definition of UX, since things like that affect the experience I have while using the product quite…

When I talk about the platform I am talking about the whole lot. The ecosystem that ties it all together. Surely you won't argue that Google makes more money on mobile ecosystem than apple does on theirs.

Why does a corporation I have no stock in making more money than another corporation I have no stock in make the platform superior?

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by biafra »

sid0 wrote: post #39
ThomPete wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because their platform is superior to everything else out there. Because mobile apps is not even close to providing proper user experience. People expect snappy as hell execution on the iOS, the actual flow of the app is often more important than the looks. And in my experience the web apps just aren't there yet. Apple make no money on the app store it more or less goes to operations. You can call it a tax or you can…

Because their platform is superior to everything else out there. This seems like opinion presented as fact. I've used iOS and currently own an Android phone, and there's no doubt in my mind that the Android UX is miles ahead of the iOS UX. Of course, I include things like a browser with sync to desktop (Firefox) in my definition of UX, since things like that affect the experience I have while using the product quite…

Or what about a browser that you do not have to scroll sideways to read anything?

It amazes me that the current (iOS5 SDK Simulator) browser still is unable to do reflow of text.

At least it can open links in the background now. Thank god!

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