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Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Xiaomis are pretty good and cheap, funny that one would care about the browser (which is optional, as you can install any browser you want) while Google owns your entire OS, but China bad US good amrite?

i can't remember the last time i felt fear expressing my beliefs on my phone here in the USA so you tell me

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1.) Xiaomi worth billions of dollars, not 1.4 trillion, but way more than most companies. 2.) People call out Google all. the. time. There's an article here weekly about dumping Google, finding alternatives, praying for antitrust regulation, etc. 3.) We don't commonly call billionaires who live in the middle east, china, and other non-western countries "oligarchs", do you know why? Why are you so upset about Xiaomi g…

>Xiaomi worth billions of dollars, not 1.4 trillion, but way more than most companies. I'm referring to Google with that valuation. >We don't commonly call billionaires who live in the middle east, china, and other non-western countries "oligarchs", do you know why? Propaganda? An oligarch is a rich person with a lot of political influence. Sounds like an average billionaire to me. >People call out Google all. the. t…

How much political influence do you think someone like Bezos really has? Everyone in washington hates him. No one wants to do favors for him. They drag him in front of congress do get a bunch of soundbites to play next election cycle.

They win elections on shutting down his headquarter plans. They want to break up his company, raise his taxes on unrealized capital gains, they want to force him to divest his personal investments like WaPo.

Same goes for other billionaires. You think there's a lot of love for Ken Griffin? Or the Google founders? Or Jamie Dimon? Of course not.

Billionaires are a common bogeyman for the populists that have ruled the capitol for the last 10 years or so.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the grace of their benefactor (Google)?

Could you elaborate your point?

Google pays a lot of money to Mozilla to be the default search provider in Firefox. This creates a conflict of interest.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/sources-mozilla-extends-its-go...

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Chinese browser collects your data? Spyware. American company collects your data? $1,400,000,000,000 valuation. This reminds me of how we call Russian billionaires "oligarchs" but we just call American billionaires...billionaires.

"What about..."

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

#85
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In other news, Xiaomi Roborock vacuum cleaners require you to enable GPS permissions and transmit back Wi-Fi PASSWORDS and floor maps back to their server. They've really been on a privacy invasion spree lately.

...I returned a scale to amazon that required an app on my phone and location be on when its registered. For a scale. Wouldn't work without it.

Did it require SMS confirmation too? lol

In any case I hope you gave it a 1-star review.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the grace of their benefactor (Google)?

Could you elaborate your point?

Apologies for not finding citations, but as an example of... suspicious behavior... Firefox had a big campaign about blocking Facebook tracking with a big push to install an addon to reduce Facebook data collection. They did not do that with Google. That's the one that stood out to me as especially asymmetric, others may have other examples they remember.

Don't get me wrong, Firefox is clearly the best of the options available. I use it all the time. But I'm also very aware that there is a bigger bias against Facebook (don't actually care since I don't go near it and block its javascript and cookies) than against Google. Of course, it's not obvious that this is Firefox's fault, Google is extremely good at finding probably-shouldn't-be-legal workarounds to just about any attempt to retain privacy.

You'd think making clear you want to retain your privacy should be enough, legally, but I guess there are no consequences.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Hmm, I mean why Chinese capitalism is so powerful? Because the government sanctioned and allowed the capital's all-reaching power. Do you believe CCP is so capable to utilize such tools? If the answer is yes, then you should ask yourself is there any realistic chance of overpowering such a technologically advanced "government". And how much more powerful the private sectors would be. Think about how much gap is betwe…

I don't think whatever point you're trying to make is very clear. There's a lot of insinuations and suggestions, but you're not actually making a point here.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

#88
post #69

Xiaomis are pretty good and cheap, funny that one would care about the browser (which is optional, as you can install any browser you want) while Google owns your entire OS, but China bad US good amrite?

i can't remember the last time i felt fear expressing my beliefs on my phone here in the USA so you tell me

Sure unless you are someone whos beliefs actually matters like a reporter and the CIA hacks your car driving assistance or you are found dead by suicide of two shots in the head.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Chinese browser collects your data? Spyware. American company collects your data? $1,400,000,000,000 valuation. This reminds me of how we call Russian billionaires "oligarchs" but we just call American billionaires...billionaires.

Chinese browser collects data for CCP which will use it for spying and for action against you, your family and your country. American company will collect data to show you ads and profit. Are they really same?

I think this point is very debatable, but I do think there's at least 2 good distinctions. 1) there's a difference between a corporate entity gathering data and a government. There's a difference those entities could potentially have on your life. In the latter case there is a bit of an arms race, like Google trying to grab all your data but also not sharing it with Facebook. In the latter case a government can consolidate all the data. 2) There's a big difference between your government collecting my data and my government collecting my data. This can go both ways too, but there's a lot of factors that dictate this: are our governments friendly with one another? Do I trust my government? How much? Do I trust your government? Etc.

They really aren't the same and personally I'd rather not have my data collected, but I'd rather it be dispersed with a corporate arms race who aren't allowed to set laws than an aggregate that belongs to a party that has much more control over my life.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese browser collects data for CCP which will use it for spying and for action against you, your family and your country. American company will collect data to show you ads and profit. Are they really same?

> American company will collect data to show you ads and profit Unless you get a target on your back, in which case the American company will provide the American law enforcement agencies with whatever data they want to take action against you and your family. Your assertion is just a variation of "if you're not doing anything wrong you shouldn't worry about spying".

FWIW I didn't read the gp as supporting data collection, only noting a difference between corporations gathering data and governments. I don't support data collection, but I do think the distinction is useful.
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