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Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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>You might find more luck with the term “intersex” or in more historical sources, hermaphroditism. Not exactly. Intersex only refers to hermaphroditism in humans, mainly for political reasons. In all other species, its still called hermaphroditism.

Intersex includes conditions hermaphroditism doesn't.

Do you have more info?

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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"At first Mr Hill wondered if the bird was leucistic - a term that means the specimen would have a loss of pigmentation in its feathers, but would not be half-female, half-male. But after seeing mobile phone pictures, he suspected it had what is called bilateral gynandromorphism, which is when a bird would have both a functioning ovary and a functioning single testis." So, uh, it would have been interesting if they h…

I suspect it had to do with sex-associated traits were split down the middle. I'm only an amateur, but I can see that the right side has a male's long tail feathers while the left side does not. I imagine there are other details that would be apparent to an expert.

I find your comment rather interesting, because it is rather clear that there are no clear divergences in physical characteristics presented in those pictures that would support your assertion. You are quite literally falling prey to confirmation bias. It’s is essentially impossible to tell that there is any difference with that bird if you look at the image in grey scale. The far more likely explanation is precisely that the process that produces the molecule that makes you perceive the feathers are red was disrupted through mutation or other deformity, or maybe even in a similar condition as vitiligo.

Just alone the complexity of something like bifurcated sex in a bird makes it extremely unlikely that that is actually what is going on here.

You are far more likely also suffering from the mania of the day regarding sex and gender, which had you rationalizing all things in those terms. Remember Occam’s Razor.

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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This is not an endocrine disruption but a genetic condition.

unfortunately, endocrine disruptors causes genetic conditions that mutate through offspring of future generations [1]... [1] https://www.axios.com/falling-sperm-count-endocrine-disrupti...

Why don't you read at least the abstracts of links you post? None of the links says that. One of the links mentions epigenetic changes which can propagate, that's something quite different from mutating genetics.

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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I think the original reason was for neopronouns, or pronouns that were recently invented. At some point there was quite a push to have a dedicated gender neutral singular (I believe it was ze/zir/zir/zirs/zirself) and so people who were using those pronouns listed them all out so people would know all the different forms.

And in that case, it would make sense, since one can't be assumed to know all the cases. But with “he” one can be assumed to know it, and I find it looking rather weird to state it. It's as though one put “Argentinian/Argentinians” in one's profile. — yes, I happen to know what the plural of “Argentinian” is.

Totally agree

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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I think the main reason is that, especially if used in general text (e.g. a general description field, not something specifically reserved for this), it makes it a bit easier to recognize as pronoun information by always following a distinctive pattern.

I would think that most people would understand a Twitter line such as “Algeria/programmer/he/FOSS activist”, which is how it is often phrased with the other things in such fields.

Yes, most people would, which is why there's been a move towards what you're describing over the last 1-2 years.

Language goes through a natural process of elision, of dropping what's unnecessary. This is no different.

It's generally cis allies who put "He/Him/His" in caps and stuff anyway. Most of the trans people I know have just switched to saying "he" or "he/him".

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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Anyone during childhood have to study a particular state? I was given Pennsylvania in grade school. Basically a poster everyone does about state birds, flowers. All I remember about this poster which I had forgotten about until now is the state bird, cardinal. I think it is also the only red bird of this size?

The state bird of Pennsylvania is the Ruffed Grouse. The Cardinal is the state bird of a different Commonwealth: Virginia.

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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I think it's lovely how accessible high quality photographic equipment has become. Naturalism is much easier when it's not just the "professionals" who have access to high-quality telephoto equipment. These clear, detailed photographs were taken in a rush! Technology is so good that even entry level cameras have sensors that put professional camera sensors from fifteen years ago to shame. It's easy to feel like we ar…

It’s much easier than in the film days. Great equipment can still give great results. I met this guy on a walk on the north shore of Massachusetts. with a 600mm lens. Much better reach than mine. https://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanbatley/ As opposed to my setting up a GoPro on my moms feeder. Which is fun but not quite the same (she has a normal male cardinal) https://youtu.be/BXMRen6lKEw

Some fantastic pictures there. 50905348768 is stunning.

Re: Rare 'half-male, half-female' cardinal photographed in Pennsylvania

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"At first Mr Hill wondered if the bird was leucistic - a term that means the specimen would have a loss of pigmentation in its feathers, but would not be half-female, half-male. But after seeing mobile phone pictures, he suspected it had what is called bilateral gynandromorphism, which is when a bird would have both a functioning ovary and a functioning single testis." So, uh, it would have been interesting if they h…

Came here to say something similar. It seems fairly obvious (to an amateur like me, I guess) that the lack of color on one side would simply be from a pigmentation issue. But the description of the event by the photographer as a "once-in-a-lifetime, one-in-a-million encounter" makes it seem like there's a very clear reason he narrowed out pigmentation.
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